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Immigration plan discouraged by GOP lawmakers
washington times ^ | January 13, 2005 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 01/13/2005 2:50:09 AM PST by ovrtaxt

President Bush cannot push his guest-worker program for illegal immigrants and new foreign workers and still win reforms to Social Security or the tax code, congressional opponents said yesterday.

"There are a lot of ambitious plans, a lot of necessary reforms that need to take place, but this rush toward amnesty-light should not be one of the priorities," said Rep. J.D. Hayworth, Arizona Republican, who called himself a friend and political ally of the president, but said Mr. Bush's immigration proposal would hurt his broader legislative agenda.

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1 posted on 01/13/2005 2:50:10 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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Rep. John Hostettler of Indiana, chairman of the Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. of Wisconsin and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas, who controls which bills reach the floor, all oppose granting legal status to illegal immigrants in the United States.

"And then you come to the rank-and-file guys," Mr. Hayworth said, "who, on nine out of 10 items agree with the administration, this is the 10th item. And now, if it goes to number one on the priority list, it is the item where there will be serious debate and discussion and ultimately rejection of this initiative."

I just can't figure out Bush's logic on this whole issue. It's so out of phase with everything else he's doing.

2 posted on 01/13/2005 2:58:00 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Are the leftists still allowing us to say 'Happy New Year'?)
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To: ovrtaxt

Reforms to Social Security and the tax code have just been put in the backroom. Open borders and green card amnesty are his priorities.


3 posted on 01/13/2005 3:00:51 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: ovrtaxt

Smart move.


4 posted on 01/13/2005 3:06:42 AM PST by marty60
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To: B4Ranch

Well, I'm not that pessimistic. In a perfect world, we would get an SS opt-out law, the FairTax, and real border control. I think instead we'll get a somewhat watered down version of the economic laws, and hopefully at least gridlock on the borders.


5 posted on 01/13/2005 3:13:05 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Are the leftists still allowing us to say 'Happy New Year'?)
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To: ovrtaxt

Who is the head of the open border lobby? What ties does the group have? Where did their contributions go during the election cycle?

Once you answer these questions, you will know what is going on with the issue.

Follow the money.


6 posted on 01/13/2005 3:24:38 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (60 votes and the world changes.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Okay, spell it out.

I've heard lots of theories, what's yours?


7 posted on 01/13/2005 3:28:43 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Are the leftists still allowing us to say 'Happy New Year'?)
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To: ovrtaxt
If this is the President's priority, we are in trouble. The Republican Party always has the shitty little habit of prying defeat from the jaws of victory. We all worked so very hard to see W re-elected, and this is how we are repaid for all our hard work and contributions? UNFRIGGING REAL!!
8 posted on 01/13/2005 6:00:45 AM PST by conservativecorner
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reforms to Social Security or the tax code,

As long as Gorge Bush pushes to give citizenship to 20 million illegals, he is going to need a new plan for Social Security plus a tax increase of major proportions in order to take care of these people.

The Republicans would do better to force a change on open borders. Send illegals back and close the borders. Many problems would be solved by doing that.

9 posted on 01/13/2005 6:40:09 AM PST by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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Send illegals back and close the borders.

Shouldn't be hard. 25% of them are already in prison.

10 posted on 01/13/2005 8:52:15 AM PST by Texas Federalist
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ping


11 posted on 01/13/2005 9:06:42 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: ovrtaxt

It's personal for Bush, the public and constitution be damned.


12 posted on 01/13/2005 9:10:32 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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It seems to me that Social Security reforms and any "guest worker" program go hand in hand, since guest workers will probably be eligible to collect SS.

...Which will further bankrupt the system.


13 posted on 01/13/2005 9:14:01 AM PST by FBD
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I'm all for a low cost guest worker program.

For Indonesian Tsunami relief, that is.

I have no problem with flying millions of low-wage sub-literate "workers" to Southeast Asia, to work at rebuilding that area.

Of course, there really won't be any reason to bring them back, 'cuz once they've built the place up again, they'll want to stay, right?

Win-Win for everyone.

14 posted on 01/13/2005 9:18:22 AM PST by Regulator
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I've read an article somewhere, that it would cost around 8 billion dollars to build a secure Mexican border wall.

We currently are spending over 24 billion per year in govt. assistance for illegal aliens, including health care.
Illegals contribute approximately (guesstimate) 14 billion in tax revenue.

Which leaves a revenue net loss of 10 billion...more than enough money in one year, to pay for a border wall.
15 posted on 01/13/2005 9:21:49 AM PST by FBD
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Is that 24 billion just federal assistance or does it include all the states assistance as well?

I like you're thinking.


16 posted on 01/13/2005 9:24:29 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: ovrtaxt

It's really *stupid*, and I can't emphasize that enough, of President Bush to push his amnesty for illegals proposal when issues like reforming SS and cutting taxes and spending in general are far more important and actually beneficial to our nation.


17 posted on 01/13/2005 9:27:57 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: FBD

Bankrupting the system appears to be the goal.


18 posted on 01/13/2005 9:28:44 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: swampfox98; All

Gompers, Samuel - (founder and pres. of AFL, an immigrant)

"America must not be overwhelmed. Every effort to enact immigration legislation must expect to meet a number of hostile forces and, in particular, two hostile forces of considerable strength. One of these is composed of corporation employers who desire to employ physical strength (broad backs) at the lowest possible wage and who prefer a rapidly revolving labor supply at low wages to a regular supply of American wage earners at fair wages. The other is composed of racial groups in the United States who oppose all restrictive legislation because they want the doors left open for an influx of their countrymen regardless of the menace to the people of their adopted country."
(Letter to Congress, March 19, 1924)


19 posted on 01/13/2005 9:30:50 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: ovrtaxt; B4Ranch; Bikers4Bush; FITZ; HiJinx; JustAnotherSavage

Whoops. My numbers were off a couple billion ( cost for govt assistance for illegal aliens)


Can anyone post this google cached article in it's current page?

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:SI9tRM1rKXgJ:www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041206-102115-6766r.htm+health+care+cost+for+illegal+aliens&hl=en

From that article in the Washington Times:

"In August, a similar study by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion."


20 posted on 01/13/2005 9:31:42 AM PST by FBD
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