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The Case Against Medical Marijuana
OPINION EDITORIALS.COM ^ | JANUARY 3, 2004 | GREG LEWIS

Posted on 01/03/2005 9:57:34 AM PST by CHARLITE

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To: Ken H; Zon
Hey, doofus. Retract your statement -- that was NOT my version.

Do not ever quote something as mine when it is not.

Retract it or I hit abuse. Amazing that the only way people like you can make your point it to lie and distort. That should tell you something right there.

61 posted on 01/04/2005 6:36:17 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Ken H

"Which Section and Clause of the Constitution grant the Federal government the power to interfere in State medical mj programs, in your opinion?"

This issue is not one of legal precedent but one of social norms.

Citizens who vote can decide for themselves. So far it appears most voters come down against medical mj or any other kind of mj use.


62 posted on 01/04/2005 6:40:43 AM PST by eleni121 (4 more years and then 4 more again)
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To: Zon
""No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him". -- Thomas Jefferson"

"The principle of freedom cannot require that he should be free not to be free. It is not freedom to be allowed to alienate his freedom."
-- John Stuart Mill

63 posted on 01/04/2005 6:41:31 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Danae
Yes, it can be grown and harvested year round. Not to mention it can be grown indoors in any climate.

Hemp gums up any machinery used to process it. Unless we go back to the 17th century it doesn't make any sense to grow it for industrial purposes.

64 posted on 01/04/2005 6:43:15 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Restorer
The issue is whether federal laws prohibiting marijuana use for this purpose trump state laws allowing it.

Precisely, and states rights is a tar baby for everyone. That's why the politicians prefer federalizing everything. Allowing doctors to prescribe marijuana sounds good in theory but neither side wants that. The anti-dope people don't want marijuana at all and the pro-dope people don't want restrictions on it. So nothing happens.

65 posted on 01/04/2005 6:44:46 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: NorCalRepub

"We Repubs are for states rights..."

Nor necesarily and not when states are more repressive and corrupt and bureacratic than at the federal level.

I would say that most Republicans are for economic freedom and moral conservative values...that means no marijuana for so called medical use or any other use.


66 posted on 01/04/2005 6:49:46 AM PST by eleni121 (4 more years and then 4 more again)
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To: Ken H
I said it was an acceptable choice, which implies multiple powers assigned to the regulation of commerce among the several states.

In the quote (the entire quote can be found in post #33), Madison is simply distinguishing which power was behind the formation of the clause and why. If he wanted to exclude all other powers, he would have said "not".

Just because you interpret "rather than" as "not" in this phrase doesn't give you the right to reword Madison's quote and post it as his. Let people read it for themselves -- wassa matter, scared they may not think the way you do? Or are other Freepers not as smart as you and need your translation?

67 posted on 01/04/2005 6:56:34 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: tacticalogic
"I think you'll find people here are quite able to place the letter in perspective unassisted."

I agree. And I'm confident it'll be the proper and correct one.

But I said "to place that interpretation of this letter in perspective" -- ie., to place KenH's (wrong) interpretation of this letter in perspective.

68 posted on 01/04/2005 7:01:22 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: TigersEye
"Soros is usually wrong."

Yeah, that's how he got to be a multi-billionaire.

Let's say, "Soros is usually on the wrong side of the issue" instead.

69 posted on 01/04/2005 7:04:52 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: eleni121
The fact that you would believe the bunk on the History Channel undermines any sound argument for legalization of marijuana.

Yeah, how so? How was the History Channel's presentation of the story inaccurate?

70 posted on 01/04/2005 7:10:16 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: CHARLITE

No matter how many times I scan these threads, I am still surprised at the number of supposedly 'conservative' Americans who are still entranced by the promise of the State.

You're a pack of God damned socialist boot-lickers, and the pack of you isn't worth the powder to blow you to hell!

Kids - disrespect wrongful authority!


71 posted on 01/04/2005 7:10:40 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: rhombus
who benefits from keeping this plant illegal?

Some guy in Lawrence.

72 posted on 01/04/2005 7:11:06 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: tacticalogic
If you're not sure of something, tacticalogic, look it up. That's what I did.

"There’s a conflict between “facial” challenges and “as-applied” challenges that comes up in each case. The normal rule is that you start with an “as-applied” challenge. That means that there a particular person in court who says: “This law is unconstitutional as applied to me.” It could be a civil or criminal defendant."

73 posted on 01/04/2005 7:11:20 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Joe Bonforte
Whether you agree with this guy about marijuana or not, you have to admit he can't write worth squat.

!!!!!

My sentiments exactly.

74 posted on 01/04/2005 7:13:48 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: robertpaulsen

I would like to know if robertpaulsen can make his arguments without all the name-calling and verbal abuse?

If you want a giggle, check out his "about page".

The boy has a very, very high opinion of himself.


75 posted on 01/04/2005 7:18:04 AM PST by Beckwith (John, you said I was going to be the First Lady. As of now, you're on the couch.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Based on my experiences watching History Channel shows...in general they are biased towards the left wing. I can give you many examples.

As for the actual drug show which was produced in 2001 BTW - I heard snippets and my impression is that it was a slickly-made overtly non judgmental presentation. The overall tone seems to be...well... we've been doing drugs for thousands of years...let's keep doing them and not be so uptight. The tone is what I object to.


76 posted on 01/04/2005 7:25:54 AM PST by eleni121 (4 more years and then 4 more again)
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To: eleni121
As for the actual drug show which was produced in 2001 BTW - I heard snippets and my impression is that it was a slickly-made overtly non judgmental presentation. The overall tone seems to be...well... we've been doing drugs for thousands of years...let's keep doing them and not be so uptight. The tone is what I object to.

In other words, your opinion is based on your feelings or your emotional reaction to the program. What facts did the History Channel get wrong?

77 posted on 01/04/2005 7:35:12 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I'm "feeling" right now that you are smoking something Mr. Hemingway....


78 posted on 01/04/2005 7:38:54 AM PST by eleni121 (4 more years and then 4 more again)
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To: Zon
Hey Zon. Gotta problem? Wanna take it up with me?

Did KenH retract his lie? Not yet, that I can see.

I called tacticalogic a liar? In this thread?

And I'm supposed to retract which statement of mine?

Bring in on, buddy-boy.

79 posted on 01/04/2005 7:43:26 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
I agree. And I'm confident it'll be the proper and correct one.

But I said "to place that interpretation of this letter in perspective" -- ie., to place KenH's (wrong) interpretation of this letter in perspective.

When you find the first person who agrees with your (allegedly correct) interpretation and can give reasonably lucid explaination of the reasoning behind it, let me know.

80 posted on 01/04/2005 7:46:53 AM PST by tacticalogic
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