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Mr. President, "Disaster Relief" Is Not Yours to Give
Peroutka 2004 ^ | 12/30/2004 | Peroutka

Posted on 01/02/2005 8:50:12 AM PST by worldclass

The real issue here is whether such so-called Federally-funded disaster “relief” is Constitutional. And the answer is very clear: No, it is not. There isn’t the slightest Constitutional authority for Federal tax dollars to be spent for disaster “relief.” Thus, any such expenditure of Federal tax dollars for disaster “relief” --- foreign or domestic --- is illegal, unlawful.

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: 3rdpartykook; cantevenget1percent; charityscam; constitutionparty; fauxconservative; foreignaid; iamadumbass; koolaidkook; peroutka; scam; scammers; selfrighteoustwit; silliness; slushfund; tsunami; unappeasabletwit; unicef
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To: FreeReign
Nuetrino buys his kids toys for Christmas and he calls it a bribe.

By the grace of G_d, I don't have children. But I like your thinking! You have potential!

761 posted on 01/02/2005 5:12:51 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: FreeReign
Go hump one.

A Somalian? My, my! What a suggestion.

762 posted on 01/02/2005 5:14:08 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: superskunk

That's what I thought. Did Congress pass this expense?


763 posted on 01/02/2005 5:14:48 PM PST by Paperdoll
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To: Paperdoll

Yes, obviously it is a concern of my or I would not have made the request.


764 posted on 01/02/2005 5:16:18 PM PST by Boxsford
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To: FreeReign

Nice. The point is, humanitarian aid does not "provide to the common defense" in this case. Furthermore, to expect a quid pro quo for such aid is disgusting.


765 posted on 01/02/2005 5:16:18 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: neutrino

I really, really need a new Maybach 

Very nice automobile. I watched a video presentation from a European auto show. I'd need a driver because the back-seat amenities are so inviting.

766 posted on 01/02/2005 5:17:40 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Paperdoll

Yes, Congress did pass this expense. It is in a fund earmarked for emergency aid. Anything above the amount in the fund will have to be approved by Congress. If you don't like it, write your Representative and Senator. <>Better yet, write your newspaper and be sure to sign your real name.


767 posted on 01/02/2005 5:18:28 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Paperdoll
That's what I thought. Did Congress pass this expense?

I'm not sure when exactly it's going to the house, but their seems to be a lot of support for it. It will most likely come after the certification of the election. I'll check it out.

I don't think Bush made the commitment without rallying sufficient congressional support. I could be wrong about this, but I'd never stick my neck out like that.
768 posted on 01/02/2005 5:20:55 PM PST by superskunk (Quinn's Law: Liberalism always produces the exact opposite of it's stated intent.)
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To: Zon
I'd need a driver because the back-seat amenities are so inviting.

Well said! And our benefactor should be glad to provide it! After all, he'll get the cost back ten-fold!

Surely he'll provide a good rate of pay, along with medical benefits and a thrift plan? At ten-to-one, it's the deal of a lifetime!

769 posted on 01/02/2005 5:21:17 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: You Dirty Rats

No, my point is correct. Nothing the courts have done changes the original meaning.

770 posted on 01/02/2005 5:22:58 PM PST by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: neutrino
I'll disregard the sarcasm and give you a tip you might remember some day:

God doesn't give back in kind, but He always gives back.
And that is the secret to happiness.

771 posted on 01/02/2005 5:23:21 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: redrock
Water...food...shelter.

..and nowhere else in the world is there a Nation that is better equiped to help those people than ours.

And now our Nation is going to try and help those people.

It is the right thing to do.

I am curious...how do you view...poor illegal aliens who sneak over here that want a better life? Many have little or no shelter, food or reliable water to drink. Many are sick and poor.

Do we owe them something? Like menial jobs many richer folks here don't want? They contribute to OUR economy, many pay taxes, many provide services that are needed to keep our economy chugging along...like construction of roads and buildings. These similar humans who have little or nothing need help and charity are they "entitled" to receive similar type of help?

We are the "same" equipped country that is capable of helping disaster victims...what about the "other" victims that in many cases "contribute" back to the US?

I am just curious...especially with the upcoming turmoil surrounding GW's amnesty plan for illegals.

BTW wishing you and yours the best of New Years!

772 posted on 01/02/2005 5:23:27 PM PST by antivenom (If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!!!)
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To: FreeReign

Sir Gaiwain to the President and Congress: Don't give foreign aid even if you think it would be best for the defense of our country.746

Please post the post# where Sir Gaiwain wrote that. Thanks in advance.755

I reference the comments that I refer to in my posts? Please see it.

Are you saying that Sir Gaiwain didn't write the words you attributed to him? 
If he did write them please give the post# where he did so.

773 posted on 01/02/2005 5:23:31 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Howlin

Among all these messages, has anyone attempted to trace the history of government funded foreign aid and disaster relief? I've tried to look through the messages, but they go every which way.

For example, the earliest foreign disaster assistance I've found so far happened in 1812. Following an earthquake in Venezuela, the U.S. Congress sent $50,000 for food and other supplies.


774 posted on 01/02/2005 5:23:31 PM PST by Racehorse
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To: Miss Marple
Anything above the amount in the fund will have to be approved by Congress.

Do you know when that bill will be introduced? Just curious.
775 posted on 01/02/2005 5:23:50 PM PST by superskunk (Quinn's Law: Liberalism always produces the exact opposite of it's stated intent.)
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To: loveliberty2

Excellent post.


776 posted on 01/02/2005 5:24:08 PM PST by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Earthdweller
"We are in the middle of a world war my son..I am sure you have noticed. There will be one world power soon..I hope you choose to back the US..lest Flordia residents stop needing homes..just tents, rugs and camels."

In order for me to be your son, you would have to have been born in the 1920's.

I too am a descendant of French...only Catholics...I'm and Acadienne (Beaucoup de facteurs ont contribué à la création de ce que nous appelons l'identité acadienne.), now commonly called Cajuns.

By definition...we are not in a world war...I think that term derives from (virtually all countries that count) being involved in the world.

While the war on terror is nearly world wide...that does not make it a world war.

There is only one dominant world power now. The President could, for example, call Putin on the phone and say "there are a number of B-2 enroute to your capital bearing nuclear warheads...they should be there in...say three hours...do what you can." We can destroy any country now...with impunity...so what's your point?

My father recieved a Purple Heart and another decoration for valor in WWII. I recieved a Purple Heart in the Vietnam War...I have always backed the United States.

We will never need tents and or camels.

777 posted on 01/02/2005 5:24:51 PM PST by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Doohickey; neutrino
The point is, humanitarian aid does not "provide to the common defense" in this case. Furthermore, to expect a quid pro quo for such aid is disgusting.

It may help our common defense in the long run or it may not. My point is more that foreign aid with that intension is Constitutional.

As far as a quid pro quo for foreign aid especially during a disaster, see my post to Neutrino about Christmas presents to ones kids. I wasn't being flippant.

778 posted on 01/02/2005 5:25:37 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: superskunk

No, I don't know. Frist was on Fox News today and talked about getting aid to this area as soon as possible, so I would imagine it would be as soon as the new Congress convenes.


779 posted on 01/02/2005 5:26:15 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: FreeReign

And when all that money ends up in the hands of war lords, drug dealers, and dictators, what will we have stabilized?


780 posted on 01/02/2005 5:27:44 PM PST by SouthTexas
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