Posted on 01/02/2005 8:50:12 AM PST by worldclass
You are quibbling about "ask" and "tell." I noticed it never occurred to you that the rest of us didn't need to be ask or told, we just did it.
You're wrong. It's obvious that people don't have to be asked. Yet asking does make "sales", -- when the President speaks he motivates people. You have more straw man than... well, anybody else on this thread. By your standards I should assert that you don't think the President should encourage people to donate to the tsunami victims.
It is your position, then, that anything that is not expressly forbidden, is allowed? Why, then, was there any attempt to enumerate the powers of the government? Without the Second Amendment, would it be permissible for the government to disarm the people?
I see that it was posted after I posted it, and that there was a link to it that I was replying to with the text. I haven't seen any other threads about this particular topic so I don't know where else it might have been posted.
I believe it (the Crockett thing) sums up what the original poster of this thread might have been trying to say. I don't have dog in this fight one way or the other. We allocate certain monies for 'disaster relief' every year, and have been doing so for quite a while now. No one that I am aware of has made an eloquent plea against this practice.
I realize this puts me in the "heartless" category according to the majority in this "conservative" forum, but there is nothing Christian or moral about government-sponsored disaster relief. Willingly giving of what you have is not the same as taking from someone to give to someone else. Forced charity is not charity.
You must've been sleeping in your constitutional law class that day, too.
I read or heard somewhere that charitable contributions for disaster relief from Americans had already exceeded $100 million.
I feel quite confident that the Bush Administration will keep this money for the appropriate people. There is a reason that the President set up the "core group" to work together on these donations, and I am certain they are well aware of the UN's avarice.
I agree but look at what UN did with the oil for food program that was to help the people/children of Iraq. How much of this generous donation from the US is going toward lining the pockets of UN aids instead of the victims.
As well as sophomoric.
If the real reason for helping our fellow man is not enough for you:
"And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. Use hospitality one to another without grudging. As every man hath received the gift, [even so] minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God." -- 1 Peter 4:8-10.
Then the pragmatic reason should suffice. World economies are interconnected. We help to help ourselves:
"Society is joint action and cooperation in which each participant sees the other partner's success as a means for the attainment of his own." -- Ludwig von Mises.
Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda neat huh?
The USC outlines the roles and responsibilities of the branches of the Federal Government.
The Bill of Rights expressly limits what the Feds can do. Amd. 10 reserves other rights to the states and to the people.
That's not to say that if the USC doesn't expressly give permission (or even broaches) a matter, the Feds have n legal authority .
My consistent point is that the fact that the USC does not specifically mandate a role, nor specifically forbid a role, does not necessarily make it unconstitutional. There is 200 years of Constitutional law behind that position.
There isn't much history or law in support of a serious argument to the contrary.
So to be clear and explicit, and to answer your question directly, no, I am not saying that if something is not expressly forbidden, it is allowed.
I am saying that if it is neither expressly mandated nor expressly forbidden, that doesn't necessarily mean that a particular course of action is forbidden. It may be, or it may not be.
Catch the wave!
Do you think everyone pays taxes? I'll bet less than half the population of the US pays any taxes.
Works for me, Bones (may I call you 'Bones?' I have been wanting to call a doctor 'Bones' since I was a young kid watching Star Trek).
If it is not mentioned, it is ok, if the States or the people do it.
No, Congress may only appropriate funds for those things it is allowed to do within the confines of the Constitution.
Then I should expect a detailed statement of how every single one of those 350 million dollars were spent, right?
The Marshall Plan rebuilt Europe and stopped the threat that the Soviets would take over. It probably was "unconstitutional" according to your thinking, but there is no doubt that it was needed and was effective. I am glad we did it.
Our money is not going through the UN..and the UN doesn't like it much either. Tee Hee
Zon: When you made a donation to the tsunami victims did you feel good or bad about your act of donating? 'Nuf said.338
unbalanced but fair responded...
unbalanced but fair: Well. since you have previously said that "Fascism best describes the U.S. government;" nothing that you say here astounds me.
What you responded to was so astounding to you. I wrote: "When you made a donation to the tsunami victims did you feel good or bad about your act of donating? 'Nuf said." You astound incredibly easily.
BTW, the government does control the means of production via withholding taxes on wager earners and regulations on business. It's fascist.
BTW, welcome to FreeRepublic.
"Do you honestly think that our giving aid to the victims of the tsunamis is being given to make someone look good?"
Do you actually think that the Washington elites would send anything to these people if they weren't getting a little PR for our tax money? We pay, they look good, everyone feels all warm and fuzzy. Except for the Thais the whole region will be right back to hating us next month.
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