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To: M. Espinola
I understand you continue painting a complete distortion of Civil War history.

Prove the alleged distortion.

... you still don't believe S.C. & the other rebel states should have paid their fair share of taxes.

Not true. The state seceded from the voluntary federal union. As such, she was not obligated to send further revenues to Washington.

All this crap about Lincoln wanting a civil war, ripping the nation in two? Additional Neo-Confed-P/C. Do you read directly off of 'Tommy Delarenzoos' how-to-be-a rebel script, or are the lies all memorized

You can't refute Lincoln's speech, so this is your rebuttal? Lincoln said it, not me.

"All admit that ... the better for the South that it should be today ... Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea ... The Constitution makes no provision for secession

I'm underwhelmed - Three newspapers articles and a misguided politician. The two Southern newspapers stated what Northern newspapers stated in 1814 and 1861, Stephens was wrong, and the Dubuque paper said, 'it does not follow that because a State cannot secede constitutionally, it is obliged under all circumstances to remain in the Union'.

The Southern political aristocracy had a 'good life' as they used slave labour to build roads, forts, grow & harvest crops & even raise the children of the slave master.

Just as was practiced legally by Yankees.

This same aristocracy wanted expansion of their Cotton Empire and were more than willing to provoke sedition & civil war to get their way.

Check your facts, the Supreme Court ruled in favour of the Southern states, it was the Northern aristocracy that wanted a lily-white west. There were only a handful of blacks in the Territories, the same that you steadfastly insist were the target of millions of Southerners. Judging by Lincoln's speech quoted above, it was he that provoked a war to get his way the money.

Edwin Ruffin, the white-haired South Carolinian madmen & bigot made sure war happened. Ruffin a prime 'hero' of today's Neo-Confeds killed himself when his slave kingdom was defeated. Some 'hero' you guys follow.

Check again. Those that I admire and have seen admired are men like Stonewall and Lee, General Stand Watie, even some on your side, for remaining gentlemen even in times of duress.

You & the other Jr-Confeds posting the same spins wanted the Confederates to defeat the United States government and continue their cotton slave based empire.

You're projecting again. No one yearns for a continuation of slavery which WAS STILL LEGAL IN THE NORTH when the Confederate states seceded - our ancestors seceded to distance themselves from folks like you - sanctimonious hypocrites pitching hissy-fits when others fail to do your bidding.

I honestly don't know what your problem is. When when placed Confederate flags in the local cemeteries, no blacks derided us, no protesters demanded we stop. One cemetery was downtown in the old section of town - we visited the grave sites of blacks and whites. While we placed our flags the cemetery was surrounded by blacks, all gentlemanly in their manner, no derisive comments or insults were thrown our way; on the contrary, they were reverent while we performed our duties. We honoured their ancestors as well as ours.

4,529 posted on 04/07/2005 4:55:40 PM PDT by 4CJ (Good-bye Henry LeeII. Rest well my FRiend. Good-bye Terri. We'll miss you both.)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
"Prove the alleged distortion. Not now, still lolool

"Not true. The state seceded from the voluntary federal union. As such, she was not obligated to send further revenues to Washington."

Capitol idea! I just became a state and seceded!! :)

"You can't refute Lincoln's speech, so this is your rebuttal? Lincoln said it, not me."

Lincoln said a lot of things, maybe he was having a bad hair day or something. Plus I don't want to refute his speech since he really didn't read it directly to me prior to the public, since I was preocupied

On those newspaper quotes, Johnny Rebs demand secession,even through they have no idea why, simply succeed from something, anything. It's in the blood.

"I admire.. Stand Watie"..... Even after he dunked his head in the prune juice? :)

"You're projecting again.." I was, now I am sitting in the computer chair.

.."our ancestors seceded to distance themselves from folks like you - sanctimonious hypocrites pitching hissy-fits when others fail to do your bidding." Is that why they seceded?? I thought it was because they did not want to be civilized. Is the reasoning identical today?

"When when placed Confederate flags in the local cemeteries, no blacks derided us.." They have historically learned with unreconstructed confederates, it does not pay when ardent confederates are aware of one's home address and within driving distance...at night.

4,534 posted on 04/07/2005 7:35:15 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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