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To: 4ConservativeJustices
"War would have been averted if Lincoln had not invaded".. Reversed logic, Confed-P/C style.

The President of the United States "invaded".. the United States? LOL, This is ridiculous!

.."but he had to attack to claim the impost revenues, as he stated in his inaugural speech."

I see, President Lincoln was not reacting to the southern rebellion, he was only concerned with tax issues ? Where you taught this in 'southern-spin' grammar school history classes?

Ladies and gentlemen I give you the 'new' version of Lincoln's inaugural speech. The short and to the point version:

"My fellow Americans. You know who you are. The Union must institute civil war and invade our own states for the sole purpose of collecting unpaid federal revenue. If they, and you know of whom I speak, do not cough up, I mean pay in full, we shall embargo all grit sales to those states in question. Thank you very much. You may depart and commence firing, now!"

4,473 posted on 04/07/2005 6:25:30 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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To: M. Espinola
I see, President Lincoln was not reacting to the southern rebellion, he was only concerned with tax issues ? Where you taught this in 'southern-spin' grammar school history classes?
The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere. Where hostility to the United States in any interior locality shall be so great and universal as to prevent competent resident citizens from holding the Federal offices, there will be no attempt to force obnoxious strangers among the people for that object. While the strict legal right may exist in the Government to enforce the exercise of these offices, the attempt to do so would be so irritating and so nearly impracticable withal that I deem it better to forego for the time the uses of such offices.

The mails, unless repelled, will continue to be furnished in all parts of the Union.

Ok, so Lincoln wants to 'hold' the forts. Does he want the fort, to defend the fort from attack? Or does he want the fort for the invasion of South Carolina?

As long as he collects the revenues, 'there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere'. Blackmail?

Content to leave federal offices vacant? Lincoln sates, 'there will be no attempt to force obnoxious strangers among the people for that object.' So as long as South Carolina renders tribute, and sends the tariff imposts to Washington, DC, Caesar will be content to leave the federal offices vacant. No Senators, representatives, justices, postmasters, you name it, just send the money.

The Executive is responsible for seeing that the laws are obeyed. But he states, 'While the strict legal right may exist in the Government to enforce the exercise of these offices, the attempt to do so would be so irritating and so nearly impracticable withal that I deem it better to forego for the time the uses of such offices.' Dereliction of duty? No, the ONLY object that concerns him is the money.

What about the mails, will he wage war to deliver them? Nope, '[t]he mails, unless repelled, will continue to be furnished in all parts of the Union.' Nothing about ensuring their delivery.

What does Lincoln care about? Slavery? Nope - he supports an Amendment guaranteeing PERMANENT slavery. Federal offices? Nope. The delivery of the mails? Nope. The only thing Lincoln desires is the MONEY.

Lincoln: 'My fellow Americans. You know who you are. The Union must institute civil war and invade our own states for the sole purpose of collecting unpaid federal revenue. If they, and you know of whom I speak, do not cough up, I mean pay in full, we shall embargo all grit sales to those states in question. Thank you very much. You may depart and commence firing, now!'

Bravo, you DO understand!

4,523 posted on 04/07/2005 2:12:53 PM PDT by 4CJ (Good-bye Henry LeeII. Rest well my FRiend. Good-bye Terri. We'll miss you both.)
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To: M. Espinola
The President of the United States "invaded".. the United States? LOL, This is ridiculous!

Yes, to think that he was going to collect revenue passed legally and signed into law by a Democrat President.

But it was all Lincoln's fault!

Funny, the Democratic Party did not reject Douglas because of the Tariff, but over the slave issue.

Thus the Slave states seceded first from the Democratic Party not over a difference of opinion over the Tariff, but over the slave states demanding that Douglas agree that slavery could go into any terrority no matter what the people of that terrority wanted.

Ofcourse, this was the logical conclusion of Dred Scott, that Lincoln saw.

4,545 posted on 04/08/2005 12:11:29 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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