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Posted on 12/31/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by Caipirabob
What's wrong about this photo? Or if you're a true-born Southerner, what's right?
While scanning through some of the up and coming movies in 2005, I ran across this intriguing title; "CSA: Confederate States of America (2005)". It's an "alternate universe" take on what would the country be like had the South won the civil war.
Stars with bars:
Suffice to say anything from Hollywood on this topic is sure to to bring about all sorts of controversial ideas and discussions. I was surprised that they are approaching such subject matter, and I'm more than a little interested.
Some things are better left dead in the past:
For myself, I was more than pleased with the homage paid to General "Stonewall" Jackson in Turner's "Gods and Generals". Like him, I should have like to believe that the South would have been compelled to end slavery out of Christian dignity rather than continue to enslave their brothers of the freedom that belong equally to all men. Obviously it didn't happen that way.
Would I fight for a South that believed in Slavery today? I have to ask first, would I know any better back then? I don't know. I honestly don't know. My pride for my South and my heritage would have most likely doomed me as it did so many others. I won't skirt the issue, in all likelyhood, slavery may have been an afterthought. Had they been the staple of what I considered property, I possibly would have already been past the point of moral struggle on the point and preparing to kill Northern invaders.
Compelling story or KKK wet dream?:
So what do I feel about this? The photo above nearly brings me to tears, as I highly respect Abraham Lincoln. I don't care if they kick me out of the South. Imagine if GW was in prayer over what to do about a seperatist leftist California. That's how I imagine Lincoln. A great man. I wonder sometimes what my family would have been like today. How many more of us would there be? Would we have held onto the property and prosperity that sustained them before the war? Would I have double the amount of family in the area? How many would I have had to cook for last week for Christmas? Would I have needed to make more "Pate De Fois Gras"?
Well, dunno about that either. Depending on what the previous for this movie are like, I may or may not see it. If they portray it as the United Confederacy of the KKK I won't be attending.
This generation of our clan speaks some 5 languages in addition to English, those being of recent immigrants to this nation. All of them are good Americans. I believe the south would have succombed to the same forces that affected the North. Immigration, war, economics and other huma forces that have changed the map of the world since history began.
Whatever. At least in this alternate universe, it's safe for me to believe that we would have grown to be the benevolent and humane South that I know it is in my heart. I can believe that slavery would have died shortly before or after that lost victory. I can believe that Southern gentlemen would have served the world as the model for behavior. In my alternate universe, it's ok that Spock has a beard. It's my alternate universe after all, it can be what I want.
At any rate, I lived up North for many years. Wonderful people and difficult people. I will always sing their praises as a land full of beautiful Italian girls, maple syrup and Birch beer. My uncle ribbed us once before we left on how we were going up North to live "with all the Yankees". Afterwards I always refered to him as royalty. He is, really. He's "King of the Rednecks". I suppose I'm his court jester.
So what do you think of this movie?
i NOTE that you didn't address the KKK-morons use of the CROSS. is the CROSS "associated with hate groups" in your opinion???
free dixie,sw
Assuming facts not in evidence.
i'm pointing out that you're a DUMBBUNNY, who believes ANYTHING BAD, no matter how STUPID and/or FALSE, about dixie
Assuming facts not in evidence.
& IGNORES EVERYTHING that proves what MORONS/HATERS/BIGOTS that damnyankees
You have provided no evidence for this claim.
demonstrable ARE nad always have been.
Nor this one.
once again, should we send you southron FREEDOM RIDERS to help you desegregate northern SEGREGATED public schools??? (FREEDOM RIDERS from up north WERE a help to us a 1/2 century ago. we should return the favor, imVho.)
MAKING EXCUSES & DENIAL about why your northern PUBLIC SCHOOLS are STILL DE FACTO SEGREGATED by RACE, HALF a CENTURY after Brown v. Board of Education, is making you look like a fool.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
So, only an idiot or fool, when confronted with this scene, would associate the CSA battle-flag with hate groups?
i NOTE that you didn't address the KKK-morons use of the CROSS. is the CROSS "associated with hate groups" in your opinion???
Could it be because Christian leaders in the South used to interpret the Bible as favoring their racist ways?
it's just ANOTHER in a LONG SERIES of your EVASIONS of UNCOMFORTABLE FACTS!
'fess up, aren't you ASHAMED that MAJORITY of your northern public schools are STILL segregated HALF a CENTURY after BROWN????
free dixie,sw
Evidence, please.
once again, should we send you southron FREEDOM RIDERS to help you desegregate northern SEGREGATED public schools???
Please provide evidence that any northern schools are unlawfully segregated. I have asked you for evidence on numerous occasions and you have always refused. That would lead a reasonable person to conlude that you have no such evidence.
MAKING EXCUSES & DENIAL about why your northern PUBLIC SCHOOLS are STILL DE FACTO SEGREGATED by RACE, HALF a CENTURY after Brown v. Board of Education, is making you look like a fool.
Once more, please provide evidence that de facto segregation goes on in any schools anywhere in the US.
Provide evidence for your claims that unlawful segregation goes on in the North.
it's just ANOTHER in a LONG SERIES of your EVASIONS of UNCOMFORTABLE FACTS!
You have only given your opinion, you have provided no facts. Please provide evidence for your claims that unlawful segregation goes on in the North.
'fess up, aren't you ASHAMED that MAJORITY of your northern public schools are STILL segregated HALF a CENTURY after BROWN????
Please provide evidence for your claims that unlawful segregation goes on in the North.
did you know that the NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS of the KKK is in OHIO??
AND that NYC has MORE KKK-morons than AL,GA,MS & LA COMBINED?
one wonders if the picture you posted was posed in the NORTH, perhaps at KKK HQ????
where did you find it??? under "Home Town News" in the Cleveland newspaper, perhaps???
free dixie,sw
Meaningless. The KKK is not a national organization anymore. It is composed of hundreds of little KKK groups, each one claiming to be the "real" KKK. Whatever the splinter group of KKK'ers that call themselves the "National Headquarters" in Ohio might be, they are not the "National Headquarters" of the KKK in any real sense.
AND that NYC has MORE KKK-morons than AL,GA,MS & LA COMBINED?
The KKK is, in many ways, a minor player in the hate group game. Saying that there are more KKK-ers in NYC than AL, GA, MS and LS tells us nothing unless you can provide statistics for total membership in all hate groups in all of those regions. As usual, you are cherry-picking statistics.
one wonders if the picture you posted was posed in the NORTH, perhaps at KKK HQ????
Why would that be relevant? I said that hate groups are associated with the CSA battleflag. I made no mention of where those hate groups might come from.
1. the NATIONAL HQ of the KKK is IN FACT the NATIONAL HQ of the WHOLE organization. (and i believe YOU KNOW IT IS, & just won't admit the FACT.)
2.you do NOT want to ADMIT the FACTS: that damnyankeeland has MOST of the most IGNORANT,RACISTS & vicious HATERS, TODAY.
3. IF the picture is posed from the NATIONAL HQ of the KKK, it points out VIVIDLY how HATEFUL damnyankees are AND how STUPID it is to continue your DENIALS & EVASIONS of the TRUTH about damnyankees & their PREJUDICES.
free dixie,sw
You have provided no facts.
the NATIONAL HQ of the KKK is IN FACT the NATIONAL HQ of the WHOLE organization. (and i believe YOU KNOW IT IS, & just won't admit the FACT.)
They might claim to be the national HQ, but that is nothing more than a claim. The KKK is a splintered organization and has been for some time.
you do NOT want to ADMIT the FACTS: that damnyankeeland has MOST of the most IGNORANT,RACISTS & vicious HATERS, TODAY.
Please provide evidence for this claim.
IF the picture is posed from the NATIONAL HQ of the KKK, it points out VIVIDLY how HATEFUL damnyankees are AND how STUPID it is to continue your DENIALS & EVASIONS of the TRUTH about damnyankees & their PREJUDICES.
We have already established that there is no such thing as a "national KKK hq." I ran a Google search and found the image on the website of a German hate group. I have no idea where this scene occurred.
OR, ADMIT you DON'T KNOW and/or do NOT WANT to ADMIT the TRUTH,
only because it makes the damnyankees LOOK HATEFUL, IGNORANT, PREJUDICED & BIGOTED to everyone here.
fyi, the recent documentary of the "Secret History of the KKK", on the HISTORY CHANNEL stated that the NATIONAL HQ is THE accepted NATIONAL HQ of the KLAN. (may i gently suggest that you get the documentary & watch it & then come back here and ADMIT the TRUTH?)
btw, if the HQ of the KKK-morons was in MY state, they wouldn't be for long. we southrons are REALLY GOOD at "vigilante action" (to quote W, on the Militia members in the MINUTEMAN PROJECT)
free dixie,sw
You are the one who has claimed that the KKK's national HQ is in Ohio. Please provide evidence for that claim and I will examine it.
btw, if the HQ of the KKK-morons was in MY state, they wouldn't be for long. we southrons are REALLY GOOD at "vigilante action"
Of that I have no doubt:
What Neeley's research into the "Habeas Corpus Commissioners" shows is that the suspension of civil rights didn't have to be authorized by Jefferson Davis or the Confederate Congress. All they had to do was pretend they didn't know what was going on and then, in their postwar memoirs, claim that their hands were clean. I guess that's an advantage of a state's rights system.
If it's in the Constitution, how can it be unconstitutional? And it was one of you guys a couple of weeks ago claiming that any amendment to the Constitution trumped the original text.
It's a fact as long as it's true, and to date you've offered no credible reason to believe it isn't.
I know that Lincoln's orders many times, were over-zealously carried out.
Yes, and he also overzealously pursued them. The Merrick case is a prime example where Lincoln was DIRECTLY involved in harassing and abusing the judicial branch because they contradicted him on habeas corpus NOT over any genuine real or even imagined criminal but on the case of a teenage minor who was illegally being held in the army. Seward's orders and the court documents reveal that Lincoln personally instructed him to house arrest Judge Merrick, unconstitutionally suspend Merrick's salary, and intervene to prevent the delivery of a contempt summons against the general who placed the guards at Merrick's house.
You keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile the whole world can see plainly that you are so devoted to upholding your Lincoln idol that you will not even answer a simple mathematical question over whether 38,000 exceeds 4,000 for fear that it would reflect poorly on your side.
Yet, that is still not the entire story
You keep saying that, and every single time you keep claiming there is something more, but whenever pressed you've got nothing more to offer beyond vague, unsubstantiated, and unscholarly speculation. It's time to either put up or shut up, ftD. Your failure to do so only embarrasses you further.
Okay. From the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan website:
Copyright 1995-2003, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Thomas Robb, national director
The following answers and questions are in regard to the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan - whose national headquarters is in Harrison, AR. Other Klan groups may or may not share our ideas, goals, agenda, opinions, etc. http://www.kkk.bz/faq.htm
"Today, the Center estimates that there are a total of 5,500 to 6,000 Klan members, split among scores of different -- and often warring -- organizations that use the Klan name."
There's also a very long list of chapters. There are nine in Ohio and three in New York, where you keep claiming there are more members than the rest of the country combined.
btw, if the HQ of the KKK-morons was in MY state, they wouldn't be for long. we southrons are REALLY GOOD at "vigilante action"
Well, you'd better get hopping then. According to the SPLC, there are 24 Klan groups in Texas and four in Virginia. The ADL identifies the Headquarters: "Imperial Klans of America is headquartered in Powderly, Kentucky; American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in Butler, Indiana; and Knights of the White Kamelia in Jasper, Texas."
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