[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Unarmed gang? My word, do I sense some more hostility toward the victims?

But that has been your position from the beginning. You have deliberately chosen words with loaded meanings.

How about friends? And they did not "forget" to bring their guns as you snidely imply. They had no reason to anticipate needing them and unless you anticipate needing them most people do not routinely carry. Which of course blows holes in your wild imaginings that somehow their showing up caused Vang to shoot.

[concretebob]

I've come to the conclusion that had we expended this much energy and time on the ACLU, they would cease to exist.

THAT would be GOOD THING