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Man held in deaths has Toledo connection (update - see reply #40)
Toledo Blade ^ | November 24, 2004 | IGNAZIO MESSINA

Posted on 11/26/2004 3:02:40 PM PST by TERMINATTOR

Edited on 11/26/2004 5:41:46 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Iowa Granny

Heard it. Just can't use it out here.


341 posted on 11/26/2004 8:45:03 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: visualops
Another little tibit.

According to court records, Vang allegedly shot several of Sunday’s victims in the back.

Hard to shoot someone in the back when they are in front of you. You would have to circle behind them. Add in the fact that he turned his jacket from orange to cameo and he was hunting.

342 posted on 11/26/2004 8:45:47 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

OK, I missed that info, my bad. Hunted they were. Guy flipped out seems like. Either that or he was the killer next door nobody knew. And that is creepy, believe me, I lived in NYC during Son of Sam.


343 posted on 11/26/2004 8:46:37 PM PST by visualops (Freedom is worth fighting for, dying for and standing for: the advance of freedom leads to peace-GWB)
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To: visualops

He ALSO went back, realized one of them wasn't dead after being shot...and shot him again to make sure he had no witnesses.

Have you read his confession to the police? I can link it if you'd like.


344 posted on 11/26/2004 8:49:03 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Ladysmith

No one would've thought someone could hijack a plane with a box cutter, either. Telling a guy to get off of your tree stand could hardly be called a provocation. Vang could've apologized and went on his way. No harm, no foul, no need to call the police.


345 posted on 11/26/2004 8:49:52 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I knew one or more were shot in the back, I thought they were fleeing.
And from what I read, he had started to walk away when he turned and started firing. If any turned and ran they would have got it in the back. I also read that at least two were shot when on their ATV's(?) (the woman and the teen?). I don't know if they were shot upon arrival or if they tried to get away after arriving.


346 posted on 11/26/2004 8:50:23 PM PST by visualops (Freedom is worth fighting for, dying for and standing for: the advance of freedom leads to peace-GWB)
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To: Iowa Granny

LOL!!


347 posted on 11/26/2004 8:52:38 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

I'd like that link, Gramma.


348 posted on 11/26/2004 8:52:41 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Ladysmith; Credo Deus
He doesn't get that.

Prior to this if I called the police because I found someone trespassing in private woods they would ask me if I had asked him to leave. If I told them, "no." They would have said, "Well, tell him to leave. If he doesn't call us back."

We would have to triple the police force during hunting season if you called the cops every time you stumbled over someone where they shouldn't be.

Now they are more likely to show up. But prior? Nah. Why should they?

349 posted on 11/26/2004 8:52:56 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation.)
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To: REDWOOD99

HOLD da line!


350 posted on 11/26/2004 8:53:02 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

It's his statement, not a confession per se?
Part of me is curious, and part of me doesn't really care what the guy says, since one would have to think it would be designed to save his ass.


351 posted on 11/26/2004 8:53:55 PM PST by visualops (Freedom is worth fighting for, dying for and standing for: the advance of freedom leads to peace-GWB)
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To: REDWOOD99; All
The link is on the top of the page, it's a PDF file.
352 posted on 11/26/2004 8:54:15 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: REDWOOD99
I heard on the local news that the defense can rule out self-defense because he chased and shot defenseless people so they're going to check out the ol' mentally instable option.

Big surprise, eh?

353 posted on 11/26/2004 8:55:35 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: visualops

Please read it.


354 posted on 11/26/2004 8:55:47 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Prior to this if I called the police because I found someone trespassing in private woods they would ask me if I had asked him to leave. If I told them, "no." They would have said, "Well, tell him to leave. If he doesn't call us back."

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!!! WE HAVE A WINNER, FOLKS!

You are exactly right!

355 posted on 11/26/2004 8:57:56 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: visualops
No problem. I am following this story quite closely because, as you may have guessed, it hits quite close to home.

Just two months ago it was me out in the woods with my bow. If I had found someone in my stand it would have never occured to me to call the cops. I would have just asked him to move as I have done in the past. No muss no fuss. Why should there be? It isn't as if they still hang you for poaching the kings deer.

Now everything has changed but I know why those hunters did what they did. You worry about some nitwit with more hair then brains shooting you by accident but murder? That is stuff that happens in the city. Not out in the woods. not until now.

356 posted on 11/26/2004 9:02:05 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation.)
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To: Ladysmith
WE HAVE A WINNER, FOLKS!

I agree. And now, I'm going to check out and go to bed and close my eyes. And again tonite, I know I'm going to see that 20 y.o. kid running away from that vermin, and the vermin shooting the kid in the back.

I pray for peace in those families hearts.

357 posted on 11/26/2004 9:02:34 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Iowa Granny
Me too Granny. Me too.

Good night all.

358 posted on 11/26/2004 9:07:16 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation.)
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To: Credo Deus

Why did he shoot the unarmed people in the back?


359 posted on 11/26/2004 9:07:35 PM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Iowa Granny

Goodnight to both of you. Sleep well...


360 posted on 11/26/2004 9:07:55 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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