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To: stand watie; capitan_refugio
btw, for the southerner,TWBTS was MOSTLY a war to be "left alone". i.e., the war was about personal LIBERTY.

Yes, the war was about personal liberty, wheather a man could be enslaved due to the color of his skin.

It seems that the only liberty that southerners were concerned with was their own.

The only thing that the South had that the North found of any value were your women.

I married one-LOL!

629 posted on 11/22/2004 4:39:39 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
The only thing that the South had that the North found of any value were your women. I married one-LOL!

I had heard that Northerners were mostly masochists who like to be whipped, branded, and strapped on by strong women........but I didn't want to say anything.

631 posted on 11/22/2004 5:05:47 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: fortheDeclaration; capitan_refugio; stand watie
Yes, the war was about personal liberty, wheather a man could be enslaved due to the color of his skin.

SOURCE: Horace Greeley, The American Conflict, 1866, vol 2, p. 268

The District of Columbia had been governed mainly by the laws of the States which ceded it; and those laws were framed in the interest of slave-holding. They presumed every colored person a slave who could not produce White evidence of his freedom; and there had grown up in Washington a practice, highly lucra­tive to her Federal Marshal, but most disgraceful to the city and Na­tion, of seizing Blacks on the streets, immuring them in the jail, advertis­ing them, and waiting for masters to appear, prove property, pay charges, and take the human chattels away. Mr. Lincoln's Marshal, Col. Ward H. Lamon, came with him from Illinois, but was a Virginian by birth, and did not revolt at the abundant and profi­table custom brought to his shop by the practice just depicted.

Gen. Wilson, of Mass., early called the attention of the Senate to this pain­ful subject; saying that he had "visited the jail; and such a scene of degradation and inhumanity he had never witnessed. There were per­sons almost entirely naked; some of them without a shirt. Some of those persons were free; most of them had run away from disloyal masters, or had been sent there by disloyal persons, for safe keeping until the war is over." He thereupon propos­ed a discharge by joint resolve of all persons confined in the District jail as fugitive slaves. In the debate which ensued, Mr. Wilson stated that the French legation had recent­ly taken to that jail gentlemen who had traversed the world inspecting prisons, with a view to their im­provement; and that, after examin­ing this, they observed to the jailer that they had never before seen but one so bad; and that was in Austria. Mr. Grimes, of Iowa, remarked that he believed there was never a jail so bad as this, save the French Bastile, and some of the dungeons of Venice. When he visited it, a few days be­fore, he found among the prisoners a boy who claimed to be free-born, yet who had been confined there thirteen months and four days on suspicion of being a runaway slave. He further stated that Marshal Lamon had for­bidden Members of Congress access to the prison without his written permission.


On June 5th, 1862, General T. Williams issued the following Order:

"HEADQUARTERS SECOND BRIGADE,
"BATON ROUGE, June 5, 1862.
"[General Orders No. 46.]

"In consequence of the demoralizing and disorganizing tendencies to the troops, of harboring runaway Negroes, it is hereby ordered that the respective Commanders of the camps and garrisons of the several regiments, Second Brigade, turn all such Fugitives in their camps or garrisons out beyond the limits of their respective guards and sentinels.

"By order of Brigadier-General T. Williams:

"WICKHAM HOFFMAN,
"Assistant-Adjutant General."

See Horace Greeley, The American Conflict, Vol 2, 1866, p. 246.

653 posted on 11/22/2004 6:19:17 AM PST by nolu chan
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To: fortheDeclaration
poor lady!

mixed marriages seldom work.

i was ONCE dumb enough to marry a yankee woman. never again.

free dixie,sw

675 posted on 11/22/2004 9:45:35 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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