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That doesn't mean that the diplomatic recognition of St. Eustasis meant anything to the rest of the world, which is what getting recognized as a nation is all about. Barbara Tuchman says otherwise and notes that St. Eustasius was a pivotal event of the revolution. It sent shockwaves through Europe and also provoked several British acts of retaliation against the Dutch and against the island.

Well, I am sure that England did not like anyone recognizing the colonies as a nation.

That did not mean the world considered the colonies as such.

More meaningless doubletalk.

Whatever the case may be, establishing nationhood is by no means a clear cut concept of diplomatic recognition. That is why I asked you what date you give for the U.S. if not July 4th and also presumably why you have yet to give a straight answer to that question.

Oh, I gave you a very clear answer, one that you refuse to accept due the fact it will make your case that the confederacy a nation DOA.

Had the U.S. lost the war (as did the South), there would be no day of the birth of the U.S.

Since we won (unlike the South), our birthday is recognized by other nations as the 4th of July.

There is no one day as the states seceded individually on different days over a period of several months. Some of the ex CSA states do mark their Confederate History holidays on or about their dates of secession.

What no national day of celebration to honor the day of the birthday of the great Confederacy recognized by the Vatican and the Duchy of something?

LOL!

That did not mean the world considered the colonies as such.

The world doesn't have to so long as nationhood is established by the act of July 4, 1776 rather than diplomatic recognition, and I'm still not sure whether you agree or disagree with that notion.

More meaningless doubletalk.

Indeed, and both you and capitan are full of it. Care to stop anytime soon?

Had the U.S. lost the war (as did the South), there would be no day of the birth of the U.S.

That's an evasion, not an answer. Did the United States attain nationhood on July 4th, 1776 or did it not? Yes or no will do. If you care to explain it further you may then append your answer with detail.

What no national day of celebration to honor the day of the birthday of the great Confederacy recognized by the Vatican and the Duchy of something?

Once again I attempt a polite and factual response to your comment, and once again you return it with needless invective and venom. Go figure.