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To: capitan_refugio
I suppose when a papal state and an insignificant duchy are all you've got, they take on a great deal of importance!

As I noted previously, if the tiny island of St. Eustasius was good enough for the USA, Saxe Coburg Gotha more than sufficed for the CSA.

The issue remains, however, about your attempt to belittle Prince Albert's connection to Saxe Coburg Gotha as does your chronic and habitual penchant for dishonesty as exhibited most recently through it.

By the way, who was the Ambassador sent by SCG to the CSA?

Not having a copy of the diplomatic documents they exchanged, which would presumably tell that information, I would direct you to the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond where IIRC they reside. I can tell you some of the names in the case of the Vatican.

The original CSA diplomat to arrive there was Dudley Mann - one of the confederate negotiators in Europe. He was received by Cardinal Antonelli, the vatican Secretary of State, and given both diplomatic protection and an audience with Pius. The arrangement of subsequent diplomacy is a bit unusual as it involves a figure who was given papers permitting him to conduct diplomacy by Jefferson Davis at a time he was simultaneously a Bishop within the Catholic Church itself - Bishop Lynch of Charleston. He travelled to Rome to fulfill these duties in 1864 and remained until after the war. Unfortunately his papers do not seem to be readily accessible and, unlike Mann's, are not in the official records series. If I were to speculate on their location I would guess that they reside in the Vatican itself, seeing as Lynch did not return to the United States until well after the war.

1,627 posted on 11/27/2004 9:55:31 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: GOPcapitalist
"As I noted previously, if the tiny island of St. Eustasius was good enough for the USA, Saxe Coburg Gotha more than sufficed for the CSA."

A cannon salute from some Dutch dependency did not make the United States a nation. It's a quaint story, however.

"The issue remains, however, about your attempt to belittle Prince Albert's connection to Saxe Coburg Gotha as does your chronic and habitual penchant for dishonesty as exhibited most recently through it."

What is troubling is your chronic and habitual penchant for fantasy. Saxe-Coburg Gotha was an insignificant duchy. Albert, as a second son under the rule of primogeniture, got while the getting was good.

"The original CSA diplomat to arrive there was Dudley Mann"

A review of Mann's rosy letters suggest that he was as deluded as you are. Case in point; an excerpt from his letter No. 68, dated November 11, 1863:

"Of course I can form no conjecture when the letter of his holiness to the President will be ready for delivery. Weeks, perhaps months, may elapse first. With my explanations to him upon the subject of slavery, I indulge the hope that he will not allude, hurtfully to us, to the subject. As soon as I receive it I will endeavor to prevail with him to have the correspondence published in the official Journal here, or to give me permission to bring it out in the Paris Moniteur. Its information would be powerful upon all the Catholic governments in both hemispheres, and I would return to Brussels and make an appeal to King Leopold to exert himself with Great Britain, Prussia, etc., in our behalf. Thus I am exceedingly hopeful that before spring our independence will be generally acknowledged. Russia alone will most probably stand aloof until we are recognized by the North, as she has now, at least ostensibly, identified her fortunes with that distracted and demon-like division of the old Union."

This guy was a crack up.

1,628 posted on 11/27/2004 10:49:03 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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