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Commentary: Truth blown away in sugarcoated 'Gone With the Wind'
sacbee ^ | 11-13-04

Posted on 11/13/2004 11:12:00 AM PST by LouAvul

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Based on Margaret Mitchell's hugely popular novel, producer David O. Selznick's four-hour epic tale of the American South during slavery, the Civil War and Reconstruction is the all-time box-office champion.

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Considering its financial success and critical acclaim, "Gone With the Wind" may be the most famous movie ever made.

It's also a lie.

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Along with D.W. Griffith's technically innovative but ethically reprehensible "The Birth of a Nation" (from 1915), which portrayed the Ku Klux Klan as heroic, "GWTW" presents a picture of the pre-Civil War South in which slavery is a noble institution and slaves are content with their status.

Furthermore, it puts forth an image of Reconstruction as one in which freed blacks, the occupying Union army, Southern "scalawags" and Northern "carpetbaggers" inflict great harm on the defeated South, which is saved - along with the honor of Southern womanhood - by the bravery of KKK-like vigilantes.

To his credit, Selznick did eliminate some of the most egregious racism in Mitchell's novel, including the frequent use of the N-word, and downplayed the role of the KKK, compared with "Birth of a Nation," by showing no hooded vigilantes.

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One can say that "GWTW" was a product of its times, when racial segregation was still the law of the South and a common practice in the North, and shouldn't be judged by today's political and moral standards. And it's true that most historical scholarship prior to the 1950s, like the movie, also portrayed slavery as a relatively benign institution and Reconstruction as unequivocally evil.

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Or as William L. Patterson of the Chicago Defender succinctly wrote: "('Gone With the Wind' is a) weapon of terror against black America."

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To: nolu chan; lentulusgracchus; capitan_refugio; fortheDeclaration
Thank you for documenting this. Why am I not surprised to learn of it?

So once again we have another case of fraud perpetrated by El Capitan to artificially bolster his case. This guy abuses his own chosen sources almost as much as he abuses Supreme Court decisions by appending extraneous material to their rulings!

1,541 posted on 11/27/2004 11:10:46 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The South underestimated Union resolve to defend the Constitution.

I disagree. The South underestimated the Union's enthusiastic willingness to abuse and violate its Constitution toward the end of conquering the South.

1,542 posted on 11/27/2004 11:23:27 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: fortheDeclaration
As for taking Washington, it wasn't for want of trying.

You are incorrect. The attempt to take Washington in 1864 was a strategic attempt to force the union army to divide in two, thus relieving pressure on Richmond. It sought no more to bring Washington into the confederacy than the Gettysburg campaign did with Pennsylvania.

In the case of that expedition, Washington was saved quite literally by a day. Early's army was delayed by a single day's time at the Monocacy River in Maryland. They easily overcome an inferior union force put there to delay their advance, but the loss of a day's time allowed Fort Stevens in D.C. to be reinforced from what would have otherwise been an easy capture.

Gianni is referring to, of course, the decisions of the confederates NOT to pursue the union forces into Washington after the battle of Manassas. In mid 1861 the confederate armies held a line within spitting distance of the city. Jefferson Davis was conducting confederate war operations for a time from Fairfax Courthouse, just 15 miles to the west of the capital. Yet they decided not to pursue, hoping incorrectly that the two sides could still part their separate ways without attempting to conquer each other.

1,543 posted on 11/27/2004 11:33:39 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Gianni
I think there are sufficient examples to demonstrate that lack of impeachment is in no way the equal to approval of action.

Nixon was never impeached. I guess that means Congress was prepared to let him off the hook for Watergate!

1,544 posted on 11/27/2004 11:36:02 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: LouAvul

It's an old book and an old movie, who really cares anymore. Hollywood stereotyped all blacks in those days. "Feets do your stuff."


1,545 posted on 11/27/2004 11:38:19 AM PST by Casloy
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To: GOPcapitalist; nolu chan; lentulusgracchus; fortheDeclaration
There is nothing fraudulent about the documentation. The only fraud is your brown-shirt response.

Of course the Northern reaction to Taney's tainted ruling in Merryman was hostile. Taney was a southern partisan whose reputation in the North was already badly damaged by Dred Scott.

You asked for my evidence that Merryman was a "friend and neighbor" of Taney's. You got it. In spades. So stop the cowardly whining.

1,546 posted on 11/27/2004 11:43:28 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: GOPcapitalist
"I did, however, observe a substantial logical flaw in the arguments of both you and Farber, to which neither of you have produced a sufficient response."

You offered nothing worth considering. You are not competent to authoritatively comment on such matters.

1,547 posted on 11/27/2004 11:44:49 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: nolu chan; fortheDeclaration; GOPcapitalist; lentulusgracchus
Given the opportunity to put your money where your big mouth is, YOU RAN AWAY!

"I did NOT back out of the (absurd) wager, I UPPED THE ANTE and capitan backed out.

Post your cowardly and ridiculous response, liar. I said I'd be glad to take you for $1,000 - a fair amount. You then proposed to make it a million dollars - knowing full well that you were not going to carry through. Cowardly brownshirt bluster. And that is why you FULLY deserve your new screen name - nolu coward.

1,548 posted on 11/27/2004 11:53:53 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: nolu chan
"A grant of indemnity from criminal prosecution recognizes that the act was criminal."

Wrong. The indemnity clause in the Habeas Corpus Act of 1863 was designed to protect Union military officers from lawsuits brought by disaffected, defeated southerners in southern courts.

1,549 posted on 11/27/2004 11:56:12 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: nolu chan
"It is a fact that Congress NEVER APPROVED those acts."

Only in the neo-confederate alternate fantasy universe.

1,550 posted on 11/27/2004 11:57:27 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: GOPcapitalist; capitan_refugio
Gianni is referring to, of course, the decisions of the confederates NOT to pursue the union forces into Washington after the battle of Manassas.

I am very well aware of what Gianni was referring to.

The fact is both forces were exhausted by the battle.

The South did not stop from taking Washington at out of some sense of goodness of its heart.

1,551 posted on 11/27/2004 11:58:58 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: rustbucket
What is all this talk about convening congress?

Do you think that Congress would have not given him the powers to raise troops?

Lincoln felt the Constitution gave him the right to do what needed to be done first and then give Congress the opportunity to support or reject what he had done.

Had they rejected what he had done they could have impeached him.

1,552 posted on 11/27/2004 12:03:44 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: capitan_refugio
There is nothing fraudulent about the documentation.

Other than the fact that it simply doesn't exist, no.

1,553 posted on 11/27/2004 12:04:20 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: capitan_refugio
You offered nothing worth considering. You are not competent to authoritatively comment on such matters.

I'll take that as a concession of your defeat on the matter, capitan, even though you probably view it as a "valid" exercise of the practice of sticking one's fingers in his ears and shouting "if I can't hear it, it must not exist!"

1,554 posted on 11/27/2004 12:06:02 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: GOPcapitalist; capitan_refugio
Hey, can I help it if the Confederates blew it!

If they never intended to attack Washington that was their mistake.

They attacked the North twice and were beaten back twice.

What hat size do you wear anyway?

1,555 posted on 11/27/2004 12:06:33 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration

Yet again I attempt to engage you in a discussion over salient factual events, and yet again your only response is to throw venom and invective at the south. Go figure.


1,556 posted on 11/27/2004 12:10:23 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: GOPcapitalist
I didn't say they were real places, I said they weren't important places.

As for my ígnorance' ít seems that you have confused being pompus with being smart.

1,557 posted on 11/27/2004 12:10:51 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
Do you think that Congress would have not given him the powers to raise troops?

You are engaging in diversionary tactics. A primary issue is whether Congress would have given him the power to suspend habeas corpus. Their outright refusal to do so after they did reconvene in July is an indicator that they would not have.

1,558 posted on 11/27/2004 12:12:43 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: GOPcapitalist
What salient facts are you discussing?

What did I say that was not a fact.

What you want to discuss is your delusional world where the South wins.

And make excuses for their loss.

go figure.

1,559 posted on 11/27/2004 12:13:42 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
I didn't say they were real places, I said they weren't important places.

Then you should've said that they failed to obtain _important recognition_. Yet you did not. Instead you said _real recognition_, as if to imply that the recognition of a small country was not real.

1,560 posted on 11/27/2004 12:15:26 PM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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