Dozens Of Chechen terrorists Entered USA from Mexico

drudge ^ | 10/12/04

[knak]

up on drudge:

WASH TIMES: U.S. security officials are investigating a recent intelligence report that a group of 25 Chechen terrorists illegally entered the United States from Mexico... Members of the group, said to be wearing backpacks, secretly traveled to northern Mexico and crossed into a mountainous part of Arizona, Gertz to report in Pgae One Splash, newsroom sources tell DRUDGE...

[misterrob]

Actually, the spanish vote is trending Bush right now.....go figure

[Chemist_Geek]

Take terrorist out of the border mix, just for a moment. This never ending flood of millions are choking off our highways, our schools, our hospitals, our jobs, our social services, our jails, and everything else. The crime and fraud is epic thanks to our leaders that pander to this coast to coast lawlessness......

Wow, the hyperbole is getting deep in here.

Look in the background. That's a foreign country. I don't see an endless conga line Boston Marathon of illegal immigrants. I live here, half a mile from the border. I'd have noticed.

BTW, this public park is a place someone wants to install a mortar pit, or turn into a free fire zone. No thanks.

The vast majority of Americans see illegal immigration as not malum in se. They understand that there is nothing inherently evil about trying to better provide for oneself and one's family, by coming to the United States. What is apparent is that some people do not believe that anyone who is not a U.S. citizen isn't really a human being. That's revolting.

If you want to "seal the boarders," then you're going to have to convince a majority of the People that your specific, detailed plan is worth the cost and consequences, intended and unintended. Hyperbolic rhetoric and wild accusations do nothing to serve your cause, nor does attempting to sell a bigoted anti-Mexican plan under false pretenses.

We've already, in other threads, calculated this. The United States of America has 31,958 km of perimeter. (That's 19,858 miles.) To put a guard post with two guards 24/7 every quarter mile, would require 79,432 posts and 794,320 guards, not including support staff, reaction forces, etc. Let's assume a remarkably efficient three REMFs per guard; that means we'd need 3,177,280 new Federal employees. A GS-3 Federal law enforcement employee earns $23,002 annually; even if every employee of the Fortress America department was the same bottom pay grade, you'd have to budget $73,083,794,560 annually for salaries alone.

Not to mention paying for all the machine-gun ammunition and mortar bombs they'd be shooting at and dropping on anything that moves in the border free-fire zone.

Some small-government Conservative program, huh?

[Poohbah]

A GS-3 Federal law enforcement employee earns $23,002 annually; even if every employee of the Fortress America department was the same bottom pay grade, you'd have to budget $73,083,794,560 annually for salaries alone.

Loaded rates for employees are approximately 2.5X the salary. So the loaded rate for these folks would be $57,505, or $182,709,486,400 annually.

[Chemist_Geek]

And I reiterate, that's assuming every last one of those employees is at the bottom pay grade.

Thanks for the loaded rate information.

[Dan Evans]

Including the beaches?

Yes, the coast.

Congratulations, you just lost most of the FR anti-illegal-immigrant bloc right there...and, I suspect that will hold true across the fruited plain.

I'm not running for office, Poohbah. I have the luxury of being able to say the truth.

After the next attack, and after we see pictures of more charred American bodies, more people will come to the realization that they should do what is in the best interest of the country instead of what is in the interest of their little ditch-digging business.

[Chemist_Geek]

Personally, I agree with you that the minimum wage laws need to be repealed. The real minimum wage is zero. As it stands, it's easy to create work, but hard to create a job.

However, there are serious consequences to a deflation in the currency's value. I'm not sure we want to go there, either.

[Dan Evans]

Mexican terrorists?

I've been talking about terrorists posing as illegal migrants.

And you don't even address the issue of Mexicans voting in our elections.

[Poohbah]

As a rough figure of merit, multiply the loaded rate by another 3X to get a typical profile of chiefs-to-Indians.

So, $182,709,486,400 goes to $548,128,459,200 a year.

Factor in a 3% COLA annually, and you will pay $6,283,678,503,451 over ten years. It would probably be cheaper to buy each and every citizen of Mexico a split-level ranch house and pay them a good-sized stipend to remain in Mexico.

[justshutupandtakeit]

The RATS, with very few exceptions, have stood in the way every chance they get when we try to deal with our enemies. RATS allowed al Queda to grow and become dangerous to us. A majority of them voted against the first Gulf war, use any lie to attack the President and aid and abet our enemies through disloyal undermining of our efforts.

Without the RATmedia and the party handling these creeps would not be 1/4 as hard as it is now. John Kerry perfectly represents these America-hating traitors doing all they can to assure we lose this war and spread lies amidst the people. They would have been imprisoned during WWII.

I stand by my statement in every respect.

[Dan Evans]

Nice pitch Chemist, but no sale.

Your pretty picture of the happy kids on the merry-go-round was taken in Wyandotte, Michigan directly across the river from Ontario, Canada. Don't you think that's a little bit misleading?

The conga line forms on the southern border.

But if you want to talk about immigration in Michigan, fine. Talk about a city 12 miles from there, Hamtramck, where Islam has taken over the city council:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13450

[Chemist_Geek]

Not at all. I live in Wyandotte, Michigan, half a mile from the border. If there were an endless conga line of illegal immigrants... But there isn't.

Your assertion that "Islam has taken over the (Hamtramick) city council" is absurd at best. The fact of the matter is that the city council saw no legal way to prohibit a mosque from broadcasting its call to prayer, and yet allow Christian churces to ring their bells.

[Dan Evans]

To put a guard post with two guards 24/7 every quarter mile..

..would be kind of stupid. A better idea would be to use cameras, surveillance UAVs. And then post guys with humvees and helicopters every fifty miles or so. It would a lot cheaper.

I'm talking about remote areas, not Wyandotte, Michigan where you live.

Run the numbers on that. Get back to us.

[Poohbah]

..would be kind of stupid. A better idea would be to use cameras, surveillance UAVs. And then post guys with humvees and helicopters every fifty miles or so. It would a lot cheaper.

"Cheap" and "helicopter" do not go together in the same sentence.

Your proposal sacrifices effectivess to avoid cost.

[Dan Evans]

Not at all. I live in Wyandotte, Michigan, half a mile from the border. If there were an endless conga line of illegal immigrants... But there isn't.

We are talking about the United States southern border. The the one with Mexico. That's where most of the illegals come. That's where the conga line is.

I hate to be accusatory, but it seems to me you were trying to give the impression that you live on the Mexican border.

[RnMomof7]

I do not understand the upset on this, after all we are checking old ladies at airports , what more do you want ?

[Chemist_Geek]

Not at all - the accusation was that all of the United States' border was a total wide open conga line.

[Dan Evans]

Not at all - the accusation was that all of the United States' border was a total wide open conga line.

Americans who live in states on the Mexican border are drowning in the mess from illegal immigration. They are losing their clinics, they can't sell their homes and they are up to their necks in crime.

Then you come along and say, "Hey, I live on the border, I don't see no illegals".

And you live in Michigan.

Can you imagine how irritating that is?

[Chemist_Geek]

Nope - especially because this is being sold as an anti-terror measure. You want to sell it as an anti-Mexican measure, then I'll have not much to say about my living near a border except that Detroit has quite the Mexicantown.

Good restaurants there north of Canada.

I will have quite a bit to say about it being anti-Mexican...

[Dan Evans]

Your proposal sacrifices effectivess to avoid cost.

I think it would be more effective to have modern technology to monitor the border than WWII style guard posts.

In most cases, we wouldn't need to dispatch armed teams, just in the cases where they first responders get shot at or where they spot vehicles crossing the border.

The first year or so would be more expensive. But after the flood of foot traffic subsides, we can cut back a lot on the manpower.

[Poohbah]

I think it would be more effective to have modern technology to monitor the border than WWII style guard posts.

Actually, it wouldn't. Boots on the ground control territory, not television cameras or UAVs. Deal with it.

In most cases, we wouldn't need to dispatch armed teams, just in the cases where they first responders get shot at or where they spot vehicles crossing the border.

The "first responders" will be "armed teams," as they attempt to apprehend the illegal immigrants.

The first year or so would be more expensive. But after the flood of foot traffic subsides, we can cut back a lot on the manpower.

Whereupon the illegal immigrants will start crossing again, and you'll need a big plus-up in manpower.