Posted on 09/13/2004 12:13:40 PM PDT by 1smallVoice
I have heard Alan Keyes called a carpetbagger because he is from Maryland. But I have not heard Obama called a carpet bagger and this confuses me. Obama was not born in Illinois, he was born in Hawaii. I bet Alan Keyes was born closer to Illinois.
Obama's mother was a white woman from Kansas, his father was African, Keyes' roots lie in slaves brought here from Africa, sold into slavery by Obama's ancestors, yet Obama better represents Illinois blacks.
Obama was raised a Muslim like his father and his step father who moved him it Indonesia where he was raised as a Muslim. Keyes is a Catholic. Obama claims to be Christian, a member of the United Church of Christ, check it out, they are not Baptists.
Obama went to school on the East Coast and returned to Illinois to begin his political career in Chicago in the 1990's. He is a teacher. He worked to get Bill Clinton elected. They say Illinois is a liberal state and Kerry will win here.
I do not know but from where I sit Obama is the carpetbagger, not Alan Keyes.
Hopeless. Sheesh.
Oh, that's for sure.
Now, do you agree with Poohbah that Obama would necessarily be the best qualified JUST IN CASE the voters choose him? Or do you agree with me that JUST BECAUSE voters choose someone, it does not logically follow that the person is the best for the job?
I you agree with me, then you should not have even started the argument since that was my whole point. If you agree with Poohbah, then you are beyond any help I could offer.
I think Poohbah's point was that in America, we vote for the person who best represents our views, and that is why the winner is "qualified" to represent the voters. I don't think he meant "qualified" the way you're interpreting it - and the point remains, the comparison you made was hopelessly flawed.
Nice attempt at parcing the nuance. But it won't fly.
and the point remains, the comparison you made was hopelessly flawed.
No, it's logically valid and true. And your assessment is psychological projection.
No, it isn't.
But I know you'll never admit it.
Yes, it is.
But I know you'll never admit it.
I never "admit" to losing when I'm winning. BTW, did you ever look up..."simile"?
[Rolling eyes.]
"Debate" Michael Medved yet?
In other words, you didn't look up "simile" yet.
Now, re your question, I will answer: Yup, I've debated him. And I'll do it again anytime.
Another question for you Mrs. Rolling eyes: can you parse the words in the following sentence?:
"en arche ein ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon kai theos ein ho logos." Hopefully something we can agree on.
And one last thing: Regarding your debating skills, you would be wise to abandon your arrogance. You've done nothing to earn it.
Well, if I told you, it wouldn't be true! ;-> And that wouldn't be honest of me, now would it?
Maybe I'll check into it after my Packers beat the Panthers.
Try not to make it too personal. It's not arrogance, just the facts. BTW, You lecturing me on debating skills is like Kerry lecturing Bush on integrity.
Sorry. I forgot. Only you get to make it personal.
P.S. You haven't argued a "fact" yet.
Nice try. You made it personal.
P.S. You haven't argued a "fact" yet.
Yeah, riiiight. And Obama an Saddam are the best "qualified" candidates because of the popular vote.
This is an interesting thread.
I have only read to this post I am responding to, but I notice the three of you want to "kill" this thread even to the point of telling "Mommie."
It looks like the Mods don't mind it being here.
So if the three of you don't like it you can do what others do when they can't get their way on a thread. Just go to another one.
Well, I am off to read the rest of it.
Yes, by all means continue reading.
If you don't see the difference between an American election and an Iraqi one, you're hopeless. 'Night, kid. I've got better things to do.
Oh thanks, I feel wanted now...
:>)
I'm a conservative...not an anarchist.
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I just have a hunch that you misread me, so I encouraged you to continue is all.
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