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Chesterton on Determinism, Calvinism, and Commentary Thereon
Nevski

Posted on 08/30/2004 7:37:41 PM PDT by Nevski

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To: Jean Chauvin; Religion Moderator

It is customary all over this forum to ask someone's permission to include them on your ping lists and to include opportunity for them to ask to be taken off. For all I know there is a protocol in effect since it is such a widespread practice.

I, therefore, request to be taken off all your ping lists of any variety. I have not said you couldn't separately post to me, so, therefore, your rehashing of other rules is irrelevant. You simply don't want to be bothered with the time it will take to comply with both.


441 posted on 09/07/2004 6:14:20 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Jean Chauvin; xzins; Corin Stormhands; P-Marlowe; connectthedots
While you are correct, it is a rather lame defense.

lame in your eyes, but correct none the less

Perhaps you could show me where I am in violation of the rules?

thread jumping - see posted guidelines: "Don't jump threads - If you get involved in an argument in one thread, it's considered poor manners to restart the previous argument in the middle of an unrelated thread.

re: previous spat concerning a posted email paraphreasing from a year prior

Don't be a whiner - If you really, really find Free Republic not to your liking, let the webmaster know directly (jimrob@psnw.com), learn to live with it, or move along.

442 posted on 09/07/2004 6:23:15 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (Why is your Lord a lord of darkness ? Jesus is the light)
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To: Jean Chauvin; xzins
Now, if you wish that I not ping you at all, then you must abide by the forum rules and refrain from discussing Calvinism.

ok, but were in the SBR, not the relig forum, arent we ?

That being the case - stop pinging me here as well and I will do the same

443 posted on 09/07/2004 6:33:46 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (Why is your Lord a lord of darkness ? Jesus is the light)
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To: Revelation 911; Jean Chauvin
4.)God has forgiven my transgressions, intentional and otherwise - why is it you dont ? every mis-statement - every slight is catalgued and held in a secret place to be thrown in our faces when contention arises

Typical behavior of a perfectionist. I jnow; I was married to one for almost 28 years. Also not uncommon amongst people growing up in very Calvinistic homes. They aren't very compassionate. Anyone who is surprised at Jean's words or behavior shouldn't be.

444 posted on 09/07/2004 6:36:10 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: HarleyD; xzins
I've already moved on.

perhaps, but have you forgiven me ?

I forgive you

445 posted on 09/07/2004 6:36:28 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: xzins
"It is customary all over this forum to ask someone's permission to include them on your ping lists and to include opportunity for them to ask to be taken off."

I have no "ping lists" that I keep personally. While I might occassionally (rarely) use the GRPL list, I can assure you that you are not on that list.

"For all I know there is a protocol in effect since it is such a widespread practice."

Then feel free to document it.

Until then, I will most assuredly include your name in with any others when I post to you or talking about you.

Pinging you separately is simply irrational and is a waste of my time.

Deal with it.

Jean

446 posted on 09/07/2004 6:42:32 AM PDT by Jean Chauvin (If you can't take the heat....well, you know.)
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To: Jean Chauvin; Alex Murphy; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; xzins; Revelation 911; P-Marlowe
It boggles the mind that none of you are able to call on your own will power, or failing that, the power of the Holy Spirit, and opt out of these never-ending displays of childish pique. Seemingly, none of you have noticed that this thread was moved to the Smoky Backroom some time ago; it was moved there because of your collective spoiled behavior.

Normally, we don't pay much attention to threads once they've been consigned to the backroom, but since some of you are bound and determined that I see your posted "gems" by continually calling me back to this tripe, I have a few words to say.

I took the time this morning to review all of your accounts. Some of you are very close to the end of the line. No, I'm not going to tell you where you are in that regard; supposedly you're all adults and able to control your own behavior. Supposedly, you're all brother and/or sister Christians who know how to treat each other at our Lord has required. That's all any of you need to know.

As to anyone or someone "causing" another FReeper to be banned - pure hogwash. First of all, I usually don't need a 'ping' to a problematic thread, since most of the time I can tell by the title of the thread and the identities of the posters which threads I need to keep a close eye on - and do just that on a selective basis. Second, I'm way past being tired of all the different ways you can find to impugn my integrity by suggesting, for starters, that I can be swayed by "favorites" to take action against FReepers. Third, and for your edification only, thePilgrim was recently suspended because he wasn't smart enough to stop insulting me in a direct exchange of comments. It had nothing at all to do with anyone other than thePilgrim.

And for your further edification, drstevej had an opportunity to be reinstated, but in his "infinite wisdom" he managed to make the owner of the site angry. Mr. Robinson left it up to me and I said "no". Some of you really are T.S.F.W.

And should any of you wish to report me for "abuse" please feel free to bring Mr. Robinson in on this one. What the heck, rather than just ban the lot of you, we may eliminate the Religion Forum and all religious talk from Free Republic entirely. I have come to believe that would make some of you quite happy.

If you wish to stay around Free Republic, shape up. If you are "tired and you wanna go home", just keep doing what you have been doing.

447 posted on 09/07/2004 6:47:17 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Revelation 911; xzins
"thread jumping - see posted guidelines: "Don't jump threads - If you get involved in an argument in one thread, it's considered poor manners to restart the previous argument in the middle of an unrelated thread. "

Long ago, when I was a newbie, I received the following advice when I attempted to invoke that rule:

They had to have written those guidelines BEFORE JerryM & the Calvin crew got into predestination discussions with ftD and the arminian crew. They just pick up thread after thread with the same discussion.

So, it won't be poor manners, it'll be a "reset."
-xzins in Post #809 on the "T.U.L.I.P. and why I disagree with it" thread.

If I violated currently enforced rules, I apologize. But I was going on the best advice I had until this time.

Jean

448 posted on 09/07/2004 6:48:38 AM PDT by Jean Chauvin (If you can't take the heat....well, you know.)
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To: Revelation 911
"ok, but were in the SBR, not the relig forum, arent we ? "

If the Religion Forum rules do not apply to religious discussion in the Smokey Back Room, then why are you continually pinging the Religion Moderator?

;)

Jean

449 posted on 09/07/2004 6:51:14 AM PDT by Jean Chauvin (If you can't take the heat....well, you know.)
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To: Revelation 911
"perhaps, but have you forgiven me ? I forgive you

I have no cause to forgive you. You've done me no wrong.

451 posted on 09/07/2004 7:02:27 AM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: HarleyD
I have no cause to forgive you. You've done me no wrong.

fair enough - have a blessed day

452 posted on 09/07/2004 7:18:07 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Jean Chauvin; xzins; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; Corin Stormhands
FOr those interested in why thePilgrim was suspended, one could check out This Post and those related to it.

Any reasonable person would pretty much have to conclude he did it to himself.

453 posted on 09/07/2004 9:02:03 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
16 There are six things which the Lord hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.

Pr. 6:16-19

454 posted on 09/07/2004 12:54:18 PM PDT by jude24 (sola gratia)
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To: connectthedots
FOr those interested in why thePilgrim was suspended, one could check out This Post and those related to it.

Any reasonable person would pretty much have to conclude he did it to himself.

Nothing wrong with "the Pilgrim's" post there.

455 posted on 09/07/2004 6:26:23 PM PDT by stop_killing_unborn_babies (Abortion is America's Holocaust)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
That being said, I will be surprised if you are not banned by this time tomorrow. That was the single most offensive post I have ever read on these threads.

418 posted on 09/06/2004 10:49:13 PM PDT by P-Marlowe

The truth is especially offensive.

456 posted on 09/07/2004 6:33:53 PM PDT by stop_killing_unborn_babies (Abortion is America's Holocaust)
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To: stop_killing_unborn_babies

Actually, G.K. Chesterton was a pre V2 RC. He was a generation older than C.S. Lewis who fought in WWI. Chesterton died in 1936.

Had been a 19th Century liberal becoming Catholic in 1922. I think like Carl Barth, Chesterton brought the baggage of many of his liberal assumptions into his faith. One of those typical assumptions of the day is a rabid anti-Calvinistic attitude.

I think in face of the anti-intellectual parts of evangelicalism, along with irrational post-modern thinking, a rebirth (or dare I say revival?)of appreciation for Calvin's thought is taking place in our generation.


457 posted on 09/08/2004 8:11:36 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: ladyinred
"It would seem to if one believes in the Arminian God. "

I am a "none of the above", but I am curious. Are you implying by this statement that those who are Arminian are serving a different God? Or is this just a figure of speech. Thanks!

It was a figure of speech. Of course Arminians and Calvinists worship the same triune God. But to a certain degree we have fashioned God into one of our own making.

One of the attacks of the Arminian against the Calvinist is that the Calvinist God is not "loving" because He did not die for every last sin of every last man, woman, and child that ever lived. They define love in terms of universalism. They make it so that God must have done such and so in order to be truly perceived by His creation as "loving".

458 posted on 09/08/2004 9:08:03 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: AnalogReigns
I think in face of the anti-intellectual parts of evangelicalism, along with irrational post-modern thinking, a rebirth (or dare I say revival?)of appreciation for Calvin's thought is taking place in our generation.

I agree, there has been a swell of interest generated in part by the emptiness and superficiality of the modernist and post modernist fluffy neo-evangelicanism.

Reformation is definitely in the air.

459 posted on 09/08/2004 10:10:18 AM PDT by stop_killing_unborn_babies (Abortion is America's Holocaust)
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To: HarleyD

Just found your reply to me concerning "everyone will hear the Gospel" from a few days ago. Thanks for the response, and Yes, I was the one wearing the red dress! :-) What you said makes sense, so thanks a lot.


460 posted on 09/09/2004 8:49:59 PM PDT by ladyinred (John Kerry reporting for "SPITBALL" duty!)
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