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To: nolu chan
Tell me, how does your foul-mouthed, tight-fisted little rant add to the discussion? I didn't bring up Sandburg. I don't recall ever quoting from Sandburg.

You are an embarassment to Free Republic.

2,690 posted on 10/08/2004 1:20:24 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio

You will note that Nolu Chan and his buddies will label James McPherson Carl Sandburg as a socialists and dismiss their positions as a result, yet Nolu Chan has no trouble quoting from Communist supporters like Edgar Lee Masters. If it were not for double standards, that crowd would have no standards at all.


2,696 posted on 10/08/2004 2:28:24 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: capitan_refugio
So you think accurately quoting what Lincoln said is an embarrassment to FR. What is an embarrassment are those historians, and others, who falsely claim it did not happen, or who sanitize history to make believe it did not happen.

Of course, lies by you or your sources have never been a problem to you. For one clear-cut example of many, in cr #1606, you falsely alleged, "You revel in quoting Hitler." When repeatedly challenged to provide documentation or retract your lie, you slithered away and did not respond.

If you go and find some off-the-wall web source to denigrate a source without being able to address the substance of what he said, that is an embarrassment.

It is more than fair to compare and contrast the truthful and honest and scholarly commentary of Edgar Lee Masters with the untruthful, dishonest, and unscholarly crap that receives awards from the Lincoln idolators.

You do not like the obscenity of the lie from Sandburg, lets try more modern obscenities in defense of Lincoln.

The following gems all come from Gabor Boritt, The Lincoln Enigma, (2001).

[p. 4] "It is worth digressing to note that if Lincoln's comments opposed to racial equality were forced out of him by politics, ...

[nc] At exactly what age would Lincoln be man enough to not have racial bigotry forced out of him? By this theory, Lincoln was not responsible for the racist remarks of Lincoln. The responsiblity belonged to Stephen Douglas. Douglas forced him to do it. Of course, Lincoln also made the same remarks when he was not running for any office.

[p. 4 continuing] "... on his own he told black jokes, occasionally unsing the 'n' word...."

[nc] And Lincoln repeatedly used the N-word in front of witnesses, indeed when giving a speech to as many as 15,000 witnesses. Perhaps Boritt meant that Lincoln may have been alone on the stage in front of the 15,000 people.

[p. 5] "While keeping alive the antislavery fight in Illinois by disavowing a desire for racial equality...

[nc] Lincoln made those racist remarks to keep the antislavery fight alive. Uh-huh.

[p. 5] "Lincoln also invoked in a vague way colonization."

[nc] Lincoln invoked, in a vague way, colonization, by vaguely being one of the founding members of the Illinois State Colonization Society and one of the 11 managers. In 1857, Lincoln vaguely "urged the illinois legislature to appropriate money for colonization in order to remove free Negroes from the state and prevent miscegenation." (Eugene H. Berwanger, The Frontier Against Slavery, Urbana, 1967, pp. 4-5.)

[p. 7] "Lincoln's fundamental rationale for colonizaton remained noble, as far as nobility was possible on behalf of such a proposal."

[nc] That was a noble effort.

[p. 15] "'Honest Abe' found it difficult to lie, but by blocking out even from his own awareness unwanted information, he forged ahead. This is how honest people lie. So long as he did not know the truth, he was not obliged to tell it."

[nc] Lincoln put the unwanted information in an Algore lock-box, in a Clintonian corner of his mind. In this way, "Honest Abe" made believe he did not know what he actually knew, and therefore he could make believe that he was telling the truth, because he made believe he did not know it was a lie. This is how honest people lie. It is also how dishonest people write.

2,697 posted on 10/08/2004 2:48:29 AM PDT by nolu chan (What's the frequency?)
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To: capitan_refugio
[Non-Seq] I don't recall ever quoting from Sandburg.

You quoted a hit piece on Edgar Lee Masters from encyclopedia.com. I quoted the rave review of Carl Sandburg from your source, encyclopedia.com. Sandburg's tripe is noted as a "mounmental work" that won a pulitzer. I documented that Sandburg's work bore similarities to the award-winning work of Michael Bellesiles or Jayson Blair.

I documented the bias of your source.

2,718 posted on 10/08/2004 6:19:28 AM PDT by nolu chan (What's the frequency?)
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