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You will note that Nolu Chan and his buddies will label James McPherson Carl Sandburg as a socialists and dismiss their positions as a result, yet Nolu Chan has no trouble quoting from Communist supporters like Edgar Lee Masters. If it were not for double standards, that crowd would have no standards at all.


2,696 posted on 10/08/2004 2:28:24 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
[Nonsense #2696] You will note that Nolu Chan and his buddies will label James McPherson Carl Sandburg as a socialists

All will note that Nonsense provides no citation to any reality-based documentation. I have labeled some authors, such as Jack Rakove, as radical left. Ann Coulter wrote that this capitan_refugio source had been "dredged out of the left-wing toilet." I have then provided specific example after example documenting the relevant radical left positions of the author. For example, see my #2380.

[Nonsense #2696] Nolu Chan has no trouble quoting from Communist supporters like Edgar Lee Masters

Again, Nonsense brings the unsupported allegation. I had no knowledge of Masters' politics before Nonsense posted. I have equally no knowledge after he posted. Nobody should take anything at face value from the Minister of Propaganda.

I guess this means you are unable to argue on the merits. As usual.

Nonsense, how about a few words of support for your Brigade Commander? You guys have practially been joined at the hip.

Nonsense is, indeed, a man of standards. Here are the standards of the Minister of Propaganda, personified.


2,698 posted on 10/08/2004 3:12:38 AM PDT by nolu chan (What's the frequency?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
You will note that Nolu Chan and his buddies will label James McPherson Carl Sandburg as a socialists and dismiss their positions as a result, yet Nolu Chan has no trouble quoting from Communist supporters like Edgar Lee Masters.

Quoth the non-sequitur: "Squack! Tu quoque! Tu quoque!"

Oh, and BTW, Masters wrote for H.L. Mencken and is almost universally recognized as having political views that were "Jeffersonian." Says Matthew Norman in a University of Illinois publication:

"Masters thought Jefferson was the greatest American statesman, and he viewed American history as a continuing struggle between Jeffersonian and Hamiltonian principles. This Manichean interpretation of history is evident in Masters's writing as early as 1904, when he published a collection of political essays entitled The New Star Chamber. In those essays, Masters praises Jefferson as the man "who gave form and purpose to the republic," while Hamilton is condemned as a monarchist whose policies amounted to nothing less than "imperialism."14 As early as 1904, Masters feared that the republic of Jefferson had decayed into a corrupt Hamiltonian empire."

His politics were also characterized by a belief in isolationism - traditionally a conservative viewpoint. So, non-seq, are you telling me that Jefferson, H.L. Mencken, and all the right wing isolationists of the early 20th century were communists?

2,734 posted on 10/08/2004 9:51:13 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Non-Sequitur; nolu chan
Roger Baldwin, a chief lieutenant of Eugene V. Debs, wrote to Debs on May 25, 1928 that the All-America Anti-Imperialist League was "outside the Communist movement" and sought a means of bringing the organization under their control (source: Eugene V. Debs papers, Indiana State University).

In other words, the even leading communists in the United States at the time, Eugene V. Debs and his followers, did not consider the Anti-Imperialist League to be a communist organization. Yet you insist that it was on which basis?

2,736 posted on 10/08/2004 10:05:12 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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