So that post was from 2003 and not posted today or yesterday?
Both posts are timestamped at the bottom from May of 2003, when I first read them. I was looking throught the IH archives and could not locate them recently, but Casey had them.
To be clear, they are NOT lifts on the forums currently.
I was so happy to see that Casey had these messages because they always haunted me and there is a "there" here somewhere.