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To: ultima ratio
The pope owes you no answers. You owe him obedience. Your posts are as predictable as are my responses.

The rest of your post is the usual self-entertainment in which you please yourself to advance schism as thjough it were the Faith. The fact that neither you nor the other schismatics are in charge of the pope cannot be made too often. You don't like him. You despise him. You revile him. He excommunicated your heroes and adjudged SSPX a schism which it is. You don't like it? Tough!

297 posted on 07/13/2004 1:25:19 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

"The pope owes you no answers. You owe him obedience."

Obviously with the amount of debate his Holiness does owe the faithful some answers. He is responsible to set the record straight and guide the Church Militant.


"The fact that neither you nor the other schismatics are in charge of the pope cannot be made too often. You don't like him. You despise him. You revile him. He excommunicated your heroes and adjudged SSPX a schism which it is. You don't like it? Tough!"

Again, you spread error like it were chicken feed. The pope has never judged those who attend a SSPX Mass as schismatic. Quit lying. UR is probably like most "Traditionalists" who hold more esteem for the papacy, rather than one particular pope. Love is a matter of the will - most "Traditionalists" pray more for the pope than the rest of the NO church combined. You call the SSPX'ers "haters" with unagreeable contempt. I am willing to bet the "schismatics" are more concerned with eternal Rome rather than worshiping the documents of a pastoral council.


312 posted on 07/13/2004 1:52:06 PM PDT by corpus
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To: BlackElk

"The pope owes you no answers."

Wrong. The Pope owes his Church correct doctrines, reasons, explanations. The Church has always insisted faith should be nourished by reason. We can't do this in the current climate. Modernism can't be reconciled with Tradition. So it doesn't even try. It's simply waiting for whole generations of traditional Catholics to die out.

"You owe him obedience."

Not when he commands what is wrong or unCatholic. Obedience is over-rated as a virtue anyhow. Of far more importance is the courage to resist someone with so much power when he commands what would do harm to souls.

"You don't like him."

Correct. I resent that he has allowed his Church to slide into chaos. All these scandals were preventable. But he has always had more mind to punish Tradition than he had to get after the perverts and apostates. That is what I blame him for--and for the disrespect he showed to the faith itself at Assisi.

"He excommunicated your heroes and adjudged SSPX a schism which it is."

They weren't my heroes until much later when I did some investigating and found out they were innocent. I investigated the so-called "excommunication"--and discovered it was never imposed by anyone, that it depended on the individuals themselves, on their internal dispositions. I also discovered the Pope's interpretation of the so-called "schism" was dishonest and ignored the evidence.

Of course, to someone like yourself this would hardly matter. To you the Pope is the boss, even when he's wrong and even when he's trying to give Catholic Tradition the shaft. But to me it matters that the Archbishop was innocent and the Pope in the wrong. It matters because I believe the Archbishop is the one who was defending the faith, and the Pope was the one who wasn't. It should have been the other way around.


364 posted on 07/13/2004 7:35:24 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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