Posted on 07/12/2004 10:26:32 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
Roman Catholic leaders in Austria called an emergency meeting today after officials discovered a vast cache of photos and videos allegedly depicting young priests having sex at a seminary.
About 40,000 photographs and an undisclosed number of films, including child pornography, were downloaded on computers at the seminary in St Poelten, about 50 miles west of Vienna, the respected news magazine Profil reported.
Officials with the local diocese declined to comment but were meeting privately on the scandal, Austrian state television reported.
It said the seminary’s director, the Rev Ulrich Kuechl, and his deputy, Wolfgang Rothe, had resigned.
The Austrian Bishops Conference issued a statement today pledging a full and swift investigation.
“Anything that has to do with homosexuality or pornography has no place at a seminary for priests,” it said.
Church officials discovered the material on a computer at the seminary, Profil said. It published several images purportedly showing young priests and their instructors kissing and fondling each other and engaging in orgies and sex games.
The child porn came mostly from web sites based in Poland, the magazine said.
Bishop Kurt Krenn, a conservative churchman who oversees the St Poelten Diocese, told Austrian television he had seen photos of seminary leaders in sexual situations with students. Krenn, however, dismissed the photos as “silly pranks” that “had nothing to do with homosexuality”.
A group of St. Poelten Diocese officials planned to ask the Vatican to remove Krenn as bishop, Austrian radio reported.
Vatican spokesman Ciro Benedettini told the Austria Press Agency that the Holy See had no comment.
Krenn, 68, issued a statement calling the accusations groundless while conceding that he “may have made some wrong personnel decisions” at the seminary.
"I don't care where you attend Mass. Drop it."
Why have you asked then on thread after thread?
It IS wicked, a disgrace. Its no better than the "Priests 'In Orgy' at Seminary."
You have baited asnd harassed narses till he's beside himself, yet you think its just havin' a little fun. That IS wicked.
Watch Dioceses ready to go BANKRUPT allow the Indult. My Diocese will likely file in the fall or winter. Just about then, voila`, an Indult will appear.
So it is NOT morally illicit to participate in an SSPX if you are morally impeded from participating in a New Mass travesty. It is morally impossible for me to set foot in a New Mass church. I don't mind attending an indult Mass if it's available, but it's not necessary to have an indult, and it IS morally necessary for me to attend only the true Catholic Mass of all time.
In my obstinate self-righteousness, I have been unwilling to shut up and accept the good Deacons efforts to 'drop it'. My apologies. Hopefully we will here no more personal attacks on either side.
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The Roman Rite is not some "rite of choice." It is the pre-eminent and normative rite in the Latin Church. It is the oldest rite and most directly descended from the apostles. It is the Rite which was guaranteed to all Roman Catholics for all futurity of time.
Clearly. Given a choice between a gay parish and the SSPX, what choice have you?
Wrong.
Hundreds, if not thousands, of Catholics in communist-controlled countries were murdered for defending their faith and yet, year after year, they continued their steadfast opposition, demonstrating peacefully in their town squares and being gunned down and beaten to death for their efforts. Do you REALLY contend that the power of the Pope's pen brought down Communism? The Pope didn't even hold an audience with Gorbachev until 3 DAYS BEFORE THE FALL. It was not his miracle. It was the culmination of years of faithful catholic nobody's and the courage of Reagan and Gorbachev that finally nailed the coffin lid on communism and liberated Catholics to freely practice their faith.
HH was one of the "catholic nobodies" for many decades in Communist Poland. I can understand your anger, but it is (imho) misplaced. Take nothing from the others, but grant HH credit where credit is due.
According to the sedevacantists, Traditionalists and mainstream theologians, some interpretations of V2 DO directly contradict previous Church doctrine. The very vagueness of the schemas and commentaries assure that. Further, it was a PASTORAL not DOGMATIC Council and therefore open to question by those of good faith.
Msr. Perl's more recent words are far less critical than his earlier words. Why would you presume to be more critical than Rome?
I don't see any connection with the point I made which was that the Roman Rite was guaranteed to all Catholics in perpetuity. Nothing to do with Vatican II, at least not for those who claim that Vatican II did not intend the New Mass.
As far as your question, however, clearly Vatican II contradicted previous Church doctrine in any number of areas.
I am getting close to bed time. I am going to depend on others to supply the cites, but rest assured, both Rome and the SSPX have softened their rhetoric much over the last five years. The fact is that the SSPX is Catholic, Rome knows this and wants their active help in doing battle with the Modernist threat. Sadly, the French and German Bishoprics have stood firmly against either a Universal Indult or the acceptance of the SSPX into active ministry via a Personal Prelature. This scandal weakens badly the German position.
exactly.
this crisis, like the bubonic plague, has origins beyond the immediate vector. VII is sort of a Trojan Horse, supposedly a gift for a new springtime in the church, was infected with modernism which dates at least from the early 20th century. Couple modernism with infiltration by Communists and maybe others...
If VII were interpreted like its texts say, with respect for Tradition and ad orientem, who knows what would have happened.
See post 154, UR cited the new letter.
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