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To: harrowup; DonaldDuke; Alouette; SJackson; Nix 2; dennisw
A couple items:

I am a proud member of Alouette's ping list. In the posts of Alouette and SJackson, I have seen nothing to indicate that they are irresponsible radicals. Also, I have yet to see anything in Harrowup's accusations that would prove that point. Alouette and SJackson simply appear to be unequivocally pro-Israel, as am I.

Now, as to Harrowup's Jewishness, I am aware of the Jewish tradition that in the case of mixed marriages, the mother's religion is generally the one in which the child is raised. However, I believe that Harrowup actually converted to Judaism. I just asked my wife, who is a Jew, if that makes Harrowup a Jew in the eyes of God. She says it does.

102 posted on 07/11/2004 8:59:37 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Never said he converted. Just said he chose but married an RC woman. Converting has requirements and I doubt he could manage to convince a Rabbi of his "Jewishness." Bris? Bar Mitzvah? His children couldn't be Jewish. I remain unconvinced.


104 posted on 07/11/2004 9:13:55 AM PDT by Nix 2 (Don't turn around. Der Kerrissar's in town. Uh oh...)
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To: EveningStar
However, I believe that Harrowup actually converted to Judaism

I don't. His pattern fits a classical MO of some antisemite activists, and there is nothing in his rambling explanation of his "Jewishness" to suggest that he actually converted. He talks about "going on as a Jew", which is patently ridiculous since he wasn't one in the first place. Elsewhere he has made it clear that he doesn't actually know the difference between a bar mitzvah and a bat mitzvah. Now, that's a level of ignorance not permitted if you're trying to convert.

Actually, I have seen speculation that he's institutionalized somewhere in the Chicago area. The data presented seemed reasonable to me.

105 posted on 07/11/2004 9:15:25 AM PDT by DonaldDuke (Postal - Extremely Dangerous until Appeased)
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To: EveningStar; harrowup; Alouette
I am a proud member of Alouette's ping list. In the posts of Alouette and SJackson, I have seen nothing to indicate that they are irresponsible radicals. Also, I have yet to see anything in Harrowup's accusations that would prove that point. Alouette and SJackson simply appear to be unequivocally pro-Israel, as am I.

As to harrowups Jewishness, I don't much care, though if the posts attributed to him are accurate, with a Jewish father, if he professes to be a believing Jew, Reform and Reconstructionist (I think) Judiasm would consider him a Jew.

Not raising his children in our faith might be problematical, as it brings his sincerity into question, but Reform Judiasm would likely take a "let live" attitude towards that, so if he says he's a Jew, then he's a Jew. Besides, who cares, if he shows up at Synagogue, no one's going to interview him. And I doubt he's planning to make Aliyah anytime soon, and a Jewish dad would be enough for that anyway, you don't have to be Jewish.

As to his accusations, if there was anything, he would have posted it here, it's not like I haven't asked, multiple times, as has Alouette. IMO, it's significant that he chose to raise these at another forum friendlier to Holocaust deniers and their ilk. A poster alerted me to them. At times these nutcases are entertaining.

Harrowup, anytime you care to show EveningStar and everyone else that there's a there, there, feel free.

106 posted on 07/11/2004 9:57:48 AM PDT by SJackson (Be careful -- with quotations, you can damn anything, Andre Malraux)
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