Posted on 07/09/2004 4:44:38 AM PDT by abu afak
Catholic Church equates anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism
Haaretz Correspondent
The Catholic Church condemned anti-Zionism as a cover for anti-Semitism by means of a joint statement issued by a forum of Catholic-Jewish intellectuals this week.
The announcement was made at a gathering of religious, academic and other leading Jewish and Catholic figures in Buenos Aires.
"We oppose anti-Semitism in any way and form, including anti-Zionism that has become of late a manifestation of anti-Semitism," the statement said.
This is the first time that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism have been equated by the Catholic Church.
The statement also includes a stern condemnation of terrorism, particularly terror in the name of faith.
"Terror is a sin against man and against God. Fundamentalist terrorism in the name of God has no justification and cannot be justified."
Ilan Steinberg, director of the World Jewish Congress, one of the forum's organizers, described the joint statement as "an historic moment."
"For the first time, the Catholic Church recognizes in anti-Zionism an attack not only against Jews, but against the whole Jewish people."
Senior Jewish figures called the announcement a significant, public statement of support by the Catholic Church in the face of anti-Zionism.
"In the past, Zionism was equated with racism, and this statement turns anti-Zionism statements to a form of racism," a Jewish leader said in New York.
The statement joins a prior European Union announcement and UN declaration of war against anti-Semitism as part of a global front fighting the scourge.
You're a thug and you're a liar. The only one yelling about "antisemitism" is you. To disprove that, you have to back up your accusations. Your words, thug, not mine.
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The hopes and dreams of a Golda Meir have been corrupted by a bunch of thugs who masquerade as defenders of the faith when in fact they are nothing more than Meir Kahane JDL and some ADL bullies. They assasinated the Israeli PM because he wasn't killing enough Palestinians and wouldn't force orthodoxy on the state.
They are represented at Free Republic by S Jackson and his KKK (Kahane Kai Kooks) ping list...dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel...among others ...dreadful little pisants...knuckledragging retards.
They assert that any opposition to Israeli policy is evidence of anti-Semitism and that anyone who opposes their radical Zionist agenda is anti-Semitic. The stupidity of their claim is evidence by the fact that they are a laughing stock in Israel and genuinely derided by the general public. If you are Jewish and disagree with a KKK you are branded a self-hating jew. In my opinon based on the male and female Kahane Kai Kretins I have met they are sexually frustrated toads in that the male suffered catastrophic bris at the hands of their Mohel and the women noticed.
I hope you don't get ZOTTED too soon, boychick, because it's been a long since I kicked NK ass.
Now counting down until this thread is pulled.
Now, there you go again, sammy.
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Sultry atmosphere in the office. Talked with Bacher. He has many grave and great misgivings. The chief danger: that I say, we cannot assimilate. The anti-Semites will seize Upon this just as, in general, they will pluck out of my text any "plums" that suit their purpose, and quote them forever after.
Theodor Herzl
Relax; NK makes the Kahane crowd look nearly sane.
Hope not.
If you'll read this sentence carefully I think you'll agree that "equates" is an over-statement. The unidentified author(s) condemn anti-zionism not categorically, but to the extent that it's used to mask a hatred of Jews. Put another way, anti-zionism is not a legitimate expression of anti-semitism, whose unredeemable evil cannot be papered over as a political problem.
One might just as soon say that objections to reverse discrimination (as one finds in the mouths of David Duke and such) are not acceptable when they're grounded in a hatred of blacks. That does not mean that objections to reverse discrimination are categorically evil, but that pleading a political argument can't sanitise a racist motive.
Hey NarrowCup!
"What's a "radical Zionist"? and What's a regular "Zionst"?
Who here is a 'Kahanist'?
and since I assume you're none of the above.. I assume you're for a pan-Islamic state that includes present day Israel.
Correct?
Ahhh... bug off!
Brian Klug - is senior research fellow in philosophy at St Benet's Hall, Oxford, and a founder member of the Jewish Forum for Justice and Human Rights
Brian Klug
Wednesday December 3, 2003
"From the beginning, political Zionism was a controversial movement even among Jews. So strong was the opposition of German orthodox and reform rabbis to the Zionist idea in the name of Judaism that Theodor Herzl changed the venue of the First Zionist Congress in 1897 from Munich to Basle in Switzerland.
"Twenty years later, when the British foreign secretary, Arthur Balfour (sponsor of the 1905 Aliens Act to restrict Jewish immigration to the UK), wanted the government to commit itself to a Jewish homeland in Palestine, his declaration was delayed - not by anti-semites but by leading figures in the British Jewish community. They included a Jewish member of the cabinet who called Balfour's pro-Zionism "anti-semitic in result".
"The creation of the state of Israel in 1948 has not put an end to the debate, though the issue has changed. Today, the question is about Israel's future. Should it become a "post-Zionist" state, one that defines itself in terms of the sum of its citizens, rather than seeing itself as belonging to the entire Jewish people? This is a perfectly legitimate question and not anti-semitic in the least. When people suggest otherwise - as Emanuele Ottolenghi did on these pages last Saturday - they simply add to the growing confusion...
"Equating anti-Zionism with anti-semitism can also, in its own way, poison the political debate."
Most of the Jews I know hold intellectual rigor in high regard, and respect the act of a careful reading. Words mean things, dennis. Only propagandists try to twist speech to back a predetermined POV.
I forgive you your "unclean hands" retort because I know it was uttered reflexively and in anger
You might wish to restate your rant; it makes no sense to me in its present form.
You are all mixed up.
Kahane was on the right, ADL is liberal. Now will you go to LP and whine about the pro-Israel meanies at FR? :)
Kahane simple wanted a secure Jewish nation in Israel.
Name oneothernationyou wish to destroy, if you are siply a post-nationalist.
Fringe kooks.
Are these statements made with the sole purpose of stirring up Internet exchanges of insults with some hurryup troll? 'Coz I don't see how they could be consequential in any other way. (This applies in general to all such things. I mean, they're as meaningful as all the statements the perfumed princes make on the steps of the Capitol, and as meaningful in the real world as the major political party platforms in this country.)
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