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Science Icon Fires Broadside At Creationists
London Times vis The Statesman (India) ^ | 04 July 2004 | Times of London Editorial

Posted on 07/04/2004 5:19:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Professor Ernst Mayr, the scientist renowned as the father of modern biology, will celebrate his 100th birthday tomorrow by leading a scathing attack on creationism.

The evolutionary biologist, who is already acclaimed as one of the most prolific researchers of all time, has no intention of retiring and is shortly to publish new research that dismantles the fashionable creationist doctrine of “intelligent design”.

Although he has reluctantly cut his workload since a serious bout of pneumonia 18 months ago, Prof. Mayr has remained an active scientist at Harvard University throughout his 90s. He has written five books since his 90th birthday and is researching five academic papers. One of these, scheduled to appear later this year, will examine how “intelligent design” — the latest way in which creationists have sought to present a divine origin of the world — was thoroughly refuted by Charles Darwin a century and a half ago.

His work is motivated in part by a sense of exasperation at the re-emergence of creationism in the USA, which he compares unfavourably with the widespread acceptance of evolution that he encountered while growing up in early 20th-century Germany.

The states of Florida, Mississippi, Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky and Oklahoma currently omit the word “evolution” from their curriculums. The Alabama state board of education has voted to include disclaimers in textbooks describing evolution as a theory. In Georgia, the word “evolution” was banned from the science curriculum after the state’s schools superintendent described it as a “controversial buzzword”.

Fierce protest, including criticism from Jimmy Carter, the former President, reversed this.

Prof. Mayr, who will celebrate his 100th birthday at his holiday home in New Hampshire with his two daughters, five grandchildren and 10 great-grandchildren, was born on 5 July 1905 in Kempten, Germany. He took a PhD in zoology at the University of Berlin, before travelling to New Guinea in 1928 to study its diverse bird life. On his return in 1930 he emigrated to the USA. His most famous work, Systematics and the Origin of Species, was published in 1942 and is regarded still as a canonical work of biology.

It effectively founded the modern discipline by combining Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection with Gregor Mendel’s genetics, showing how the two were compatible. Prof. Mayr redefined what scientists mean by a species, using interbreeding as a guide. If two varieties of duck or vole do not interbreed, they cannot be the same species.

Prof. Mayr has won all three of the awards sometimes termed the “triple crown” of biology — the Balzan Prize, the Crafoord Prize and the International Prize for Biology. Although he formally retired in 1975, he has been active as an Emeritus Professor ever since and has recently written extensively on the philosophy of biology.


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To: AndrewC

I meant to bump #640 to you, AndrewC. Sorry about that itchy trigger finger of mine....


641 posted on 07/07/2004 7:02:32 PM PDT by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Instead, he argues that, rather than beginning with RNA, DNA, or protein synthesis, life got its start as a deterministic result of the laws of chemistry.

If life is just a deterministic result of the laws of chemistry, it should be quite easy to make a puree of the bacteria of your choice which should by the deterministic laws of chemistry reassemble into bacteria once again.

642 posted on 07/07/2004 7:10:26 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: betty boop

I read your mind.


643 posted on 07/07/2004 7:10:53 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: betty boop

Your posts are really good. You are obviously very well read. I salute you.


644 posted on 07/07/2004 7:12:23 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Alamo-Girl; PatrickHenry; marron
...the difference between that which is alive and that which is not is information (Pattee, Rocha, Yockey, et al). Information is defined by Shannon as a successful communication. For instance, when a cell no longer communicates, it is dead.

As strange as this may sound to folks who haven't bothered to study or reflect on this, I couldn't agree with you more, A-G. But if folks do think about this, then they have to figure out what it means.

Maybe this sort of thing is just too taxing an exercise for folks who are perfectly fine human beings despite their lack of interest in the subject. I guess this is why we have scientists and philosophers (not to menton theologians) -- who specialize in critical questions that no one else has the time to care about, or at least about which they have no interest, even as reasonably well-informed generalists. Still, even "folks" have to pay attention to what's going on both in politics and in science these days -- if only for reasons of self-defense. :^)

Or so it seems to me.

Thank you A-G.

645 posted on 07/07/2004 7:22:51 PM PDT by betty boop
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To: AndrewC
If life is just a deterministic result of the laws of chemistry, it should be quite easy to make a puree of the bacteria of your choice which should by the deterministic laws of chemistry reassemble into bacteria once again.

Why sure, go start the experiment! Report back to us when you are finished.

Take one planet full of sludge where water is a liquid, inject sunlight for 400 million years and see what you get.

Oh, wait, we need controls, so make that 100 billion galaxies full of 100 billion 2nd-generation stars each, each with a preponderonce of planets with a reasonable pecentage in the same temperate zone as the Earth. See you in 400 million years.

646 posted on 07/07/2004 7:22:52 PM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: balrog666
You'll see. Smart choice.

Enjoy...

;-/

647 posted on 07/07/2004 7:23:05 PM PDT by Gargantua
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To: whattajoke
Then I guess it's safe to say that since you hold such strong Godless views that these two will be getting your vote come November?
648 posted on 07/07/2004 7:25:01 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Gargantua
You'll see. Smart choice. Enjoy...;-/

Go read a Bible without moving your lips.

649 posted on 07/07/2004 7:25:12 PM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: Skywalk
The choice is yours, as are the consequences of it. Besides, eternity can't be that long... can it?

;-)

650 posted on 07/07/2004 7:25:51 PM PDT by Gargantua
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To: balrog666
Take one planet full of sludge where water is a liquid, inject sunlight for 400 million years and see what you get.

I don't need all of that. I already have a living organism. Everything needed is there. All we do is confuse the structure a bit. Deterministic chemistry should correct everything if that is all we need.

651 posted on 07/07/2004 7:26:28 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: betty boop
If I may, I suggest that the principle issue here is the word "information." To me, when a biologist uses it in discussions about DNA, he's talking about the arrangement of the molecules, which determines their function. That's all I see, just organic chemistry. The arrangement is the information.

I suspect that you are putting much more meaning into the word "information." If you define it so as to mean that DNA contains some kind of message from somewhere, then you have pre-determined (so to speak) your conclusion that something more than chemistry must be going on. But that conclusion is inherent in the way you define "information," and I really think your definition needs some work.

652 posted on 07/07/2004 7:34:31 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: AndrewC
Deterministic chemistry should correct everything if that is all we need.

But nobody except trolls like you have suggested that that was all we need. Gee, this time think about your words before you hit "post".

653 posted on 07/07/2004 7:39:06 PM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Hey, look! I've weaned myself from using the word "dumbass"!


654 posted on 07/07/2004 7:40:55 PM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: balrog666
But nobody except trolls like you have suggested that that was all we need.

Well here's your chance to name what you have not named.

655 posted on 07/07/2004 7:41:34 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: PatrickHenry

Oops. Sometimes our fallible humanity just shines through.


657 posted on 07/07/2004 7:43:42 PM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: balrog666; Admin Moderator
Didn't you read post #646, dumbass?

And you evidently didn't read post #651 Mr "foul mouth". You cannot have a civil discourse can you?

658 posted on 07/07/2004 7:45:50 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: balrog666

Cool it.


659 posted on 07/07/2004 7:53:38 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: PatrickHenry; betty boop
Er, if I may...

If I may, I suggest that the principle issue here is the word "information." To me, when a biologist uses it in discussions about DNA, he's talking about the arrangement of the molecules, which determines their function. That's all I see, just organic chemistry. The arrangement is the information.

I suspect that you are putting much more meaning into the word "information." If you define it so as to mean that DNA contains some kind of message from somewhere, then you have pre-determined (so to speak) your conclusion that something more than chemistry must be going on. But that conclusion is inherent in the way you define "information," and I really think your definition needs some work.

A dead organism retains its DNA for a very, very long time.

The information is not the DNA - the DNA is the symbolism, the coding, the complexity, the processor. Just like a computer does nothing until it is turned "on" - the DNA is not alive in itself. Life is in the information, the communication. The definition of information is "successful communication" (Shannon).

Once the cell quits communicating, it is dead.

660 posted on 07/07/2004 7:54:49 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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