Posted on 06/27/2004 12:37:31 PM PDT by VRWCer
Edited on 07/12/2004 4:16:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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a friend of mine in CHALLSTON wrote a letter to the naaLcp begging them to make it PERMANENT!
free dixie,sw
AMEN!!!!!
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i knew jesse in the 60s-he was a $$$$$$$-hungry creep then too.
Dr King DISPISED him, as he was ONLY for jesse.
free dixie,sw
Its like solicitation of murder, against the law and wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.
How's it different from the American Revolution when the colonists fought againt the British?
I haven't seen any of your postings defend the Southern Cause of States Rights.
My view of slavery is what was the truth of the time. As for the rhetorical question "Is slavery right?" The answer is no, but I DO believe in a State's right of self-determination. Don't forget that in the Treaty of Paris in 1783, King George III RECOGNIZED THE 13 COLONIES AS SOVERIEGN AND INDEPENDENT STATES! Even the Founders still held that to be the case when the Constitution was ratified. They only united for specific reasons, and they didn't give away their sovereignty when they ratified the Constitution.
I didn't assume anything, your postings show how you feel about why the South fought. You come across with the elitist superior attitude - SMARMY! You bought the Yankee teachings hook-line and sinker. I didn't say you were a Southern Hater either, I DID say that you were a smarmy-assed Yankee, and until you prove different that view won't change.
I DID say that you were a smarmy-assed Yankee, and until you prove different that view won't change.
** I see no good deed/action goes unpunished. Your mind is made up about me because I live in New York and you assume things about my education based upon where I live. I assure my view of the South/Southerners aren't the same as your view of 'yankees'. Have a good evening.
A man that I wish would come up North but probably won't *LOL*
http://www.confederate-rose.org/Violations/Edgerton-MarchAcrossDixie.htm
Quoth the Non-Sequitur, "Squack! Tu Quoque! Tu Quoque!"
So many errors, so little time. Where to begin?
1. That link isn't the ordinance of secession for South Carolina or any other state. The ordinance of secession was a specific legal document enacted by their convention to sever the ties with the federal government. What you linked to was a separately adopted Declaration of Causes representing the opinions of the convention's legislative body as to secession but containing no legal provisions. Put another way, think of the Secession Ordinance as the law and the Declaration of Causes as one of those fluffy resolutions that nowadays are used by legislative bodies to denounce things by another branch that they don't like and to commend the winner of the super bowl.
2. Next, even if we presume for a moment that what you linked to were the SC Ordinance (and it is not), it is still representative of only one single state's convention. If you recall, twelve state governments, a rump government in a thirteenth state (Kentucky), a territorial government (Arizona), and the governments of about half a dozen indian tribes located in present day Oklahoma all adopted one or more secession documents of various forms. In total there are about 20 such documents including four states that issued both an Ordinance and adopted a Declaration of Causes to express the opinions of its convention and, in some cases, urge popular approval of the Ordinance. Citing one out of twenty as conclusive evidence of your case is shoddy and unrepresentative by any measure. But what of the makeup of the remainder? Well, only five of those documents make any substantial mention of slavery in any form - 4 Declarations from TX, SC, MS, and GA and a Declaration from the Cherokees, which mentions slavery only briefly. The rest are silent. And what of economic issues? Well, the same Georgia Declaration that cites slavery also contains several lengthy paragraphs denouncing the tariff hikes, northern federal subsidies, and economic centralization under the Republican Party. Others, such as Texas', also list economic concerns among slavery and many others including frontier defenses, deprivation of federal protection and the sort. The bottom line of it all though is this: Unlike the Declaration of Independence, there is no one single defining document or doctrine of the CSA's formation that makes a singular statement of its founding cause or causes. Instead you have about 20 such documents, all of them different, and in excess of 200 or more significant speeches by southern leaders on all sorts of issues ranging from slavery to taxes to subsidies to the homestead bill to constitutional theories of federalism making up the volume of literature on "causes" of secession.
3. Your alleged dilemma against your adversary is false for the above stated reasons among others. You would be best to refrain from such tactics under the watchful eye of FR readers and posters as they will ultimately weaken your argument on other points where something you say happens to contain some validity.
Given Karl Marx's adoration for Lincoln and his own contribution to the northern cause by way of propagandizing for it in the newspapers of Europe and, later, the northeast, that is of little surprise.
I see that "Tu Crammit" boy is back.
Please enlighten us with your muslim extremist + confederate comparison.
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