Love on a Porn Set: One Woman's Story (ABC Expose of Porn Industry)

ABC News ^ | 5/27/04

[Skooz]

The article is heartbreaking.

[Hammerhead]

Sorry, I agree with Bill O'Reilly, anyone involved in the skin industry are basically just lazy people.

sorry, I don't feel sorry for her ONE BIT. Especially coming from a decent home.

[tpaine]

AppyPappy compares pornography to putting ground glass in baby food. He also compares it to rape.

There's a basic (and huge) misunderstanding about voluntary interactions versus initiation of force or fraud.
61 jimt

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So if a person asks you to shoot him in the head, do you think it should be legal to shoot him?
After all, it is voluntary.

It's rather similar to paying a person to expose themselves to AIDS.
75 Appy

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As we see from Appys answer, he purposely 'misunderstands' that violent acts can be prosecuted as being criminal, regardless of whether they are deemed voluntary.

We have juries to decide whether a 'mercy killing' was justified manslaughter or murder.

As for the aids bit AppyPap, -- a prostitute takes the risk of sexual disease, as do customers. -- If aids is knowingly being spread, its another no brainer to realize its a criminal act.
Can you agree, or should we play more word-games?

[Aquinasfan]

Attempting to reverse the burden of proof ("Prove that there aren't any fairies") is the last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt.

OK, what's good about it?

Positively, pornography is obviously evil. Certainly, sodomy is evil because it's unnatural and gravely evil particularly because it's an abuse of one of man's greatest capacities, the capacity to bring life into the world.

Sexual intercourse is designed by nature and nature's God to produce offspring within marriage. Thus, a man's natural desire for a woman should be ordered toward his wife. Pornography serves to break this proper ordering of sexual desire. The logical consequences are obvious manifest in our society.

[Landru]

"...or should we play more word-games?"

Word-games?
HA!!

More like checkers.

...& Mr.Peanut done got *crowned*.

[AppyPappy]

Poor tp. He went all the way through school and never heard of analogies

[54-46 Was My Number]

One episode of "Touched by an Angel" showed how becoming involved with Internet porn damages family relationships.

Thank God TV only depicts truth, and so accurately, too.

[Aquinasfan]

it's government's duty to defend the rights of its citizens.

What are rights?

Where do they come from?

Do we have a right to do evil?

Why do we have laws?

[Know your rights]

things are banned until they are made safe.

Boxing is not safe, even under current regulations. Do you support banning it?

But you won't even agree that they should take steps to protect the "workers".

I consistently apply my principles to boxers and porn 'actors'; do you?

If the age of consent is 12 in the Netherlands and 12 year-olds are allowed to make porn, should it be legal to distribute that porn in the US?

No. 12 is too young to consent even if the Netherlands says otherwise.

[Aquinasfan]

It Takes A Village.

"...promote the general Welfare..."

[54-46 Was My Number]

What are rights? Where do they come from? Do we have a right to do evil? Why do we have laws?

Read Locke's Second Treatise for yourself.

[libravoter]

Not even if it was YOUR daughter?

This sentence really sums up my problem with anti-porn crusaders.

If we're going to make laws based on what if it was "my daughter", the following would be punishable by HIGH fines and prison time: hooting at girls walking by, hitting on a woman more than 20 years younger than you, encouraging someone to drink alcohol, etc. etc.

It's not that I don't think porn hurts people; I do. It's not that I don't think it should be regulated (CONDOMS!); it should. But with all the crimes being committed every day - with the terrorists out there, with rapist's DNA sitting in labs not analyzed because of lack of funds . . . no, I just don't feel this should be a law enforcement issue.

[Know your rights]

Policemen and firemen lay their lives on the line in order to secure the greater social good, to prevent the greater loss of life.

A consensual agreement to engage in anal sex, on the other hand, while life risking, does not otherwise promote the greater good of society.

Boxers have died, and at least one football player been paralyzed, to entertain us. I assume you'll want these sports banned?

[AppyPappy]

Boxing is not safe, even under current regulations. Do you support banning it?

If it cannot be made safe, yes. They have boxing in the Olympics so I assume it can be made safe

[Semaphore Heathcliffe]

...and I'm like, Wow, you know, that's like the best welcome ... 'cause then you feel like, Oh, someone likes me, you know.

The wounded female psyche boiled down to one encounter. If you do not love them enough when they are young, they just might spend their lives trying capture love between their legs.

[Aquinasfan]

If you believe that an individual has the right do with his life as he pleases...

Do we? Do we have the right to lie? Slander? Commit adultery? Spread pornography?

Does God give us these rights to do evil?

...then we only have to understand whether or not he consented to certain activity.

That's simple but based on the false premise above.

You don't put him in jail for exercising his rights to consentual individual choice just because you call his activity evil.

I don't "call" it evil. It is evil. Properly ordered sexual desire occurs within the bonds of matrimony. This is the natural law that is written on the human heart. It's common sense and self-evident. Pornography subverts the proper ordering of sexual desire, putting aside the more obvious evils engaged in by the actors themselves.

If you disagree, tell me how sexual desire should be ordered, in contradiction to the natural law.

[Aquinasfan]

Hilton offers adult movies in thier hotel rooms so they make money off porn.

What they failed to point out is that by doing an expose' on the porn industry and airing it during sweeps, ABC too is making money off porn.

Do you regard these acts as morally equivalent?

[ArGee]

Your description is a prime example of libertarian reductionism.

The huge difference I keep seeing between Libertarian arguments on FR and conservative ones is that Libertarians use their principles to deny any responsibility for their society. They seem to think there are only two options to a story like Michelle's. One is to shake your head at her and say, "Bad choice, girl. Tough luck!" The other is to create a set of laws to make her tragedy impossible.

Conservatives accept a personal responsibility for the good of society, where possible. Conservatives will take the third option. Don't use porn. Discourage others from using porn. Tell the story far and wide to create a social stigma to anyone supporting the porn industry. Use social compulsion to put the pornographers back on skid row where they belong.

Nobody would be hurt if porn were to go away, and many would be helped. A true conservative understands this, and condemns the porn industry without requiring laws to be written.

That doesn't take a government program, but it does require that you put society higher on your personal priority list. That doesn't sit well with the modern American.

Shalom.

[anonymous_user]

Mostly on the part of the people who watch it.

We tell kids not to stick forks in outlets because it's dangerous and we have evidence to prove it. We don't ban electricity. We don't give them fresh band-aids ever week for their burned fingers. We don't feel sorry, shun, or blame their naivete for them when they've electrocuted themselves.

Now we have porn "electrical outlets" in our homes and should be educating children and adults about where it comes from and what it does to people.

The truth about personal and societal consequences about cigarettes and drunk driving has been exposed and the truth is winning out. The truth about the porn producers and users needs to be exposed as well, and let people come to their own conclusions.