What's the difference? In order to say that blacks supported a Confederate victory, they have to say that blacks wanted slavery. Many have said that blacks were better off as slaves. They're delusional.
I see it's a trick you like enough to do in subsequent posts, so I'll let you have it. The problem with it is the idiotic absolutism by Unionists. Perhaps it's bred into their ideology: As the Union must be absolute, so must all facts pertaining to the aggressive war for it's maintenance. So be it, but I would be surprised if you found that black hatred of slavery was universal (especially amongst free black slaveowners), let alone hatred of the CSA.
See, there you go. You're promoting that blacks didn't mind slavery. You're delusional.
And so it continues: No black confederates, No black support for the CSA, No room for the anti-federalists in the category 'founders.'
I didn't say there wasn't any. There's a few nuts scattered everywhere and I'm sure that some blacks did fight for their little dictators just as some people in other tyrannies will fight for their leaders. I reject your implications that blacks didn't mind being slaves.
Who said that? Some posters here?
Yes, through the many threads. They say that granting the slaves their freedom was a bad thing to do since they weren't used to it. Under that philosophy freedom could never be granted, which of course the perpetuation of slavery was sought after in the Declarations.
Or some slaves? One I believe I can document... the other you apparently cannot. Such is the way, typically.
Posters here through the threads a couple years ago. I don't know if it's been repeated lately, I quit reading these monotonous delusional threads long ago.
Usually it seems most of the moaning comes from explaining our system of government to the Hamiltonian bloggers, who's desires for the US were shot to hell, shredded, and turned away. Maybe I'm only hearing the moans from my side of the fence. It's very possible that their moaning is equal.
If America is so terrible, move.
As far as controversy and argument, perhaps you're one of those people who likes one-sided discussion. I've learned a great deal from these WBTS threads, and plan to continue.
Lots of revisionism, I'm sure. You'd be better off reading the words of the people involved then instead of reading what someone here says what someone said then. They tend to twist things if they don't quote directly. Just like when 4CJ said thaty Lincoln's only ambition was for money. Delusional.
Sure, 90% of the posts are fluff and/or crap, but there are jewels in there, grab a pitchfork and dig. Here, Let me try it your way: Headline: Gun Grabbers After Us Again Post 1: Those guys suck. Post 2: Right on, they do suck. Post 3: They suck and they're bastards. Post 4: I love guns, and those guys suck. Headline: CA Supremes to Force Gay Marriage Down Everyone's Throat Post 1: Those guys suck. Post 2: Right on, they do suck. Post 3: They suck and they're bastards. ... I've tried it, I can't stay interested. The best threads on FR involve controversy: WOD, WBTS, Animal Rights.
Be careful what you believe though. It's always best to read the words of the people involved, not what someone who lives in the past who has an agenda has to say about it.
Your argument that CSA=slavery does not fit the facts. The majority of those who fought were not slave owners. Many who sided with the confederacy felt that slavery was a plague, yet tolerated it. Others still wanted to end slavery prior to even secession, so that the goal of the war would be clear.
Many have said that blacks were better off as slaves. They're delusional.
Sure they weren't just quoting Lincoln?
[G] I see it's a trick you like enough to do in subsequent posts, so I'll let you have it. The problem with it is the idiotic absolutism by Unionists. Perhaps it's bred into their ideology: As the Union must be absolute, so must all facts pertaining to the aggressive war for it's maintenance. So be it, but I would be surprised if you found that black hatred of slavery was universal (especially amongst free black slaveowners), let alone hatred of the CSA.
[#3] See, there you go. You're promoting that blacks didn't mind slavery. You're delusional.
That's not what it says.
I reject your implications that blacks didn't mind being slaves
Out of left field there. Please cite the relevent portion of my post where I said that "blacks didn't mind being slaves."
They say that granting the slaves their freedom was a bad thing to do since they weren't used to it
Once again, sure they weren't just quoting AL?
[G] Usually it seems most of the moaning comes from explaining our system of government to the Hamiltonian bloggers, who's desires for the US were shot to hell, shredded, and turned away. Maybe I'm only hearing the moans from my side of the fence. It's very possible that their moaning is equal.
[#3]If America is so terrible, move.
This is out of the parking lot beyond left field. America is not terrible due mostly to retention of some elements of federal government.
Just like when 4CJ said thaty Lincoln's only ambition was for money. Delusional.
Delusional? I would't go that far. Incomplete, for sure: money and power, but most people these days equate the two so his leaving it off is understandable.
Be careful what you believe though. It's always best to read the words of the people involved, not what someone who lives in the past who has an agenda has to say about it.
Obvious, from the way you re-post my exact words, then arrive at conclusions no sane person could draw:
[G] I would be surprised if you found that black hatred of slavery was universal (especially amongst free black slaveowners),
[#3] You're promoting that blacks didn't mind slavery
[G] Hamiltonian bloggers, who's desires for the US were shot to hell, shredded, and turned away.
[#3] If America is so terrible, move