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To: Alamo-Girl
I am a member of a Southern Baptist Church.

Is it one in allignment with mistah jimah cartah by chance?

885 posted on 02/16/2004 10:47:46 AM PST by Ephesians210
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Scripture, even the words of Christ stand in direct contradiction to that statement [”On the other hand, I would that everyone would err on the side of caution and not characterize the source of another’s Spiritual understanding”]. Jesus, Paul, John, Peter and Jude were adamant about characterizing the source of another's "spiritual understanding" when those understandings are false and antichirst, even to call them "doctrines of demons".

Jesus is the Word of God made flesh and speaks with full authority. (John 1:14) Paul, John, Peter and Jude were speaking with direct authority; their epistles are part of our canon of Scripture. I recognize no man born since their time as speaking with the same authority. In that list I include all the Popes, councils, early church fathers and saints, Martin Luther, Calvin, Arminius, Joseph Smith, evangelists, preachers and commentators.

My caution about characterizing the source of another’s Spiritual understanding is based on the following Scripture:

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. – Jude 9-10

But when the Pharisees heard [it], they said, This [fellow] doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils…. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come. – Matthew 12:24 through and ending with 31-32

Chapter 12 in both Mark and Luke contain that same caution, thus my assertion that it is better to err on the side of caution and not characterize another's source of Spiritual understanding. It is enough to question the source, going the extra step to characterize is unnecessary. My two cents...

So, you do not judge Joseph Smith to have been a false prophet?

I do not judge Joseph Smith at all. I judge no being – whether alive in the flesh or in the spirit, whether man or principality.

IN John 7:24, Jesus makes it plain that His sheep are to "judge", but to judge not by mere appearances, but instead to judge in accordance with a right standard. John 7:24, "When you judge, do not judge by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." What do you suppose the right standard is?

I turn to the Scriptures for the standard of righteous judgment:

The first is to not judge, lest I be judged:

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. – Matthew 7:1-2

The second is to beware of false prophets, to know them by their fruits.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? – Matthew 7:15-16

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. – Galatians 5:22-23

The third, is to judge “matters” or “things” in this life. Judgment of angels (beings) is authority reserved for the next life:

Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? - I Corinthians 6:1-3

IOW, I judge the “thing” not the person, the assertion not the speaker. If there is Truth in the assertion, the Spirit within me confirms it and brings Scripture to mind. Likewise, I listen to counsel from Christians when I know the Spirit indwells the counselor. The Spirit brings forth the fruits named in Galatians 5:22-23 if the Christian is surrendered to His will. If he is not surrendered to His will, I cannot embrace the advise.

My bottom line:

I choose to love God absolutely and others, unconditionally. (Matthew 22:37-40)

I choose to not judge any being. (Matthew 7:1-2)

I choose to forgive without demanding an apology or vindication first (Mark 11:26).

The Holy Spirit has gifted all of us to a purpose in the body of Christ (I Corinthians 12). Some engage in spiritual warfare, others run the race, others evangelize, preach, care for the sheep and so forth.

All of these are noble service, but I have chosen instead to sit at Christ’s feet and hear the Word of God.

Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house. And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.

And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her. – Luke 10:38-42


915 posted on 02/16/2004 10:00:21 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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