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To: ksen; xzins; Vernon; Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911; connectthedots
Okay, so if the Will itself is not free, by your own admission, what is the "free" agent that makes Will make its decision for Christ?

I did not say that the will is not free. But as with all freedoms, it has its limitations. Being able to accept or reject the Gospel of Christ is not one of those limitations. God grants sufficient grace to men to make a knowing decision and allows them the free will to do it. It does not diminish God's sovereignty if he sovereignly grants to men that ability. He gives men the ability to do lots of things. How does that subtract from his sovereignty?

18 posted on 02/10/2004 12:24:15 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG)
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To: P-Marlowe; ksen; George W. Bush; A.J.Armitage; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; xzins
I did not say that the will is not free. But as with all freedoms, it has its limitations. Being able to accept or reject the Gospel of Christ is not one of those limitations. God grants sufficient grace to men to make a knowing decision and allows them the free will to do it. It does not diminish God's sovereignty if he sovereignly grants to men that ability. He gives men the ability to do lots of things. How does that subtract from his sovereignty?

You can claim that God gives men the grace to make a "knowing decision" (although your claim is in conflict with Scripture, which declares: "1 Corinthians 2: 14 -- But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised."). You can claim that Man has a free will for the making of decisions (no objection from this corner).

All of which does the Arminian System not a bit of good, as the Bible remains ADAMANT that so long as a Man remains Spiritually Dead, that Man will always Reject God (Romans 8:5-8) -- for he still hates God, and so rejecting God is what he wants to do.

Now, I have a question: it seems to me that the Arminians think it fundamentally "unfair" that Scripture commands all men everywhere to Repent, when at the same time Scripture teaches us that no man ever will Repent unless he is first Regenerated by the Holy Spirit. So here is my question:

Anybody have an answer for me?

77 posted on 02/10/2004 8:05:12 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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