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To: ksen; xzins; connectthedots; Revelation 911; Vernon; Corin Stormhands; xJones
We are saved, saved from what? Saved from going to hell. If we were saved from going to hell that means at some point we were going there.

Which means that at some point after the foundation of the earth there had to be a possiblity that we could go either way. And since that possibility exists, predestination must be based on foreknowledge of what the future holds for a person. In other words our salvation depends upon something that happens after the foundation of the earth.

Thank you ksen. You just shot down the entire doctrine of Calvinistic predestination.

97 posted on 02/08/2004 11:31:46 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG & Former member of PWAODSDNPOPTML)
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To: P-Marlowe
Which means that at some point after the foundation of the earth there had to be a possiblity that we could go either way. And since that possibility exists, predestination must be based on foreknowledge of what the future holds for a person. In other words our salvation depends upon something that happens after the foundation of the earth.

You keep confusing heading in the direction of a place with actually arriving at that place.

Thank you ksen. You just shot down the entire doctrine of Calvinistic predestination.

Nah, I'm not that smart.

100 posted on 02/08/2004 11:42:04 PM PST by ksen (This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
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Thank you ksen. You just shot down the entire doctrine of Calvinistic predestination.

As I have suspected, ksen only thinks he's a Calvinist.

118 posted on 02/09/2004 8:06:18 AM PST by connectthedots (Recognize that not all Calvinists will be Christians in glory.)
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To: P-Marlowe; ksen; George W. Bush; drstevej; CCWoody; RnMomof7; Jerry_M; the_doc
What part of "from the foundation of the world" don't you get?

Consider the child who will be born tomorrow.

Does God know that child's parents and place of birth? Does God know that child's hair color; eye color; height; weight? Does God know the day that child's first tooth will fall out? Does God know the grades in school that child will receive?

Does God know the name of that child's future spouse? Does God know how many children that child will one day have? Does God know the names of those children? Does God know what jobs that child will hold? Does God know the illnesses that child will suffer?

Does God know the faith of that child? Does God know every prayer ever uttered by that child for his entire life? Does God know the burdens and sorrows of that child's life? Does God know the joys and triumphs of that child's life? Does God know the minute of the hour of the day of the year of the death of that child?

Does God know whether or not that child's name has been written in the Book of Life from before the foundation of the world?

The answer to all these questions is "Yes, thank you, God."

If it is known to God, it is God's will. Otherwise, it wouldn't be.

And ALL is known to God.

125 posted on 02/09/2004 9:28:47 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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