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To: ksen
That turns the verse on its ear.

Says you. :)

The verse says those who are called shall come, not that those who come are called. The emphasis is on the calling, and Him who calls, occuring before the coming.

Did you forget the emphasis is also on "And him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" is also true, and "him that cometh to me" is of free will?

If your not starting to argue as a Calvinist, I'll give you and hour to draw a crowd and I'll kiss your @ss on the court house lawn.

BigMack

19 posted on 02/07/2004 6:34:49 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Says you. :)

Yeah, says I. ;^)

Did you forget the emphasis is also on "And him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" is also true, and "him that cometh to me" is of free will?

Yes, we come to Christ freely. I would never argue against that, and neither would any of the Calvinists I know.

If your not starting to argue as a Calvinist, I'll give you and hour to draw a crowd and I'll kiss your @ss on the court house lawn.

Better make it two, I have a son to put to bed first. ;^)

24 posted on 02/07/2004 6:50:08 PM PST by ksen (This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; ksen
Did you forget the emphasis is also on "And him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" is also true, and "him that cometh to me" is of free will?

"All that the Father giveth to me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me (whom the Father has given to him) I will in no wise case out." Furthermore, no man can come unless the Father draws him (6:44). Those who the Father draws and those who the Father gives are spoken of in the same way, as those who will be raised up at the last day (6:39/6:44).

That those who are drawn and who are given believe of their own will is not in dispute. What leads them to that belief is.

27 posted on 02/07/2004 6:55:52 PM PST by Frumanchu (semper ubis sub ubis)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
If your not starting to argue as a Calvinist, I'll give you and hour to draw a crowd and I'll kiss your @ss on the court house lawn.

Pucker up, Big Boy! :o)

Go back and read the article. Sproul makes it very clear. And he's hit the nail square on the head.

51 posted on 02/08/2004 6:54:13 AM PST by nobdysfool (Those whom He foreknew, He predestinated to be conformed to the Image of Christ)
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