[ksen]

That turns the verse on its ear.

The verse says those who are called shall come, not that those who come are called. The emphasis is on the calling, and Him who calls, occuring before the coming.

[drstevej]

Father gives (present tense)
will come (future tense)

Makes the order clear.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

That turns the verse on its ear.

Says you. :)

The verse says those who are called shall come, not that those who come are called. The emphasis is on the calling, and Him who calls, occuring before the coming.

Did you forget the emphasis is also on "And him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" is also true, and "him that cometh to me" is of free will?

If your not starting to argue as a Calvinist, I'll give you and hour to draw a crowd and I'll kiss your @ss on the court house lawn.

BigMack

[xJones]

The verse says those who are called shall come, not that those who come are called. The emphasis is on the calling, and Him who calls, occuring before the coming.

I don't understand the point of you Calvinists.

Are you saying, "We're saved, you haven't got a chance, you were born to fry, and just acknowledge it, you of the great damned."?