Then their not Independent Fundamental Baptist churches then, a true Independent Fundamental Baptist church will reject Calvinism.
First of all, I would not enter a church without them knowing where I stood. Secondly, I would never split a church. I would rather leave one quietly than cause a rupture.
If you don't join a pure Calvinist church if there is such a thing, you stand a great chance of causing trouble under a comprising pastor or congregation if they accept what you believe, all the members will NOT accept Calvinism, there is NO way to avoid trouble even in a so called Independent Fundamental Baptist church.
Say it like it is Mack.
Mack: Its Ok come on out of the closet. :)
ksen: I'm out, and the fresh air is great!
Don't half too, you did it for me. You were not totally upfront about what you believe with me until last night.
So now I am a liar and a cheat.
Kevin I like you and am not going to pull any punches because of that, you should understand that, there is NO way you will not cause trouble if you remain in ANY kind of Independent Fundamental Baptist church.
You still haven't addressed the verses I put out there.
There's nothing to address, Calvinism is false teaching. Ksen I ask and pray that you reconsider what you have embraced.
Mack
What makes an Independent Fundamental Baptist church "Independent" and "Fundamental" and "Baptist?"
If you don't join a pure Calvinist church if there is such a thing, you stand a great chance of causing trouble under a comprising pastor or congregation if they accept what you believe, all the members will NOT accept Calvinism, there is NO way to avoid trouble even in a so called Independent Fundamental Baptist church.
The purpose of preaching and teaching is not to avoid trouble. If a Pastor preaches doctrine strongly, whatever the doctrine is, there will be division and trouble.
Mack: Its Ok come on out of the closet. :)
ksen: I'm out, and the fresh air is great!
Don't half too, you did it for me. You were not totally upfront about what you believe with me until last night.
I have been totally up front with you. This is not a stand I came to overnight. I did a lot of wrestling and praying about it. I now have a peace that I hadn't had before.
Whenever we talked about it I told you where I was.
Kevin I like you and am not going to pull any punches because of that, you should understand that, there is NO way you will not cause trouble if you remain in ANY kind of Independent Fundamental Baptist church.
I like you too Mack, and I don't expect soft punches from you. There is no way I'd avoid division in a church anyway because I would preach sound doctrine and I would preach it strongly. Even if I still believed exactly as you do it would cause division because today's Christians cannot abide doctrine when it is strongly preached.
There's nothing to address, Calvinism is false teaching. Ksen I ask and pray that you reconsider what you have embraced.
I appreciate and covet your prayers. Go ahead and show me where I am wrong in the things I have posted on this thread.
Don't be so fearful. Life is in very capable hands.
Really? Do you speak for all IFBCs?