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I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
Aw, Shucks southern News and Links ^ | 29 January 2004 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat

I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives

Okay, so George Bush has shown that his ‘compassionate conservatism’ is really socialism with conservative lip service. Bush has proven that he is a liberal with a thin veneer of faux conservatism covering the big-government, big-spending core of his true self. So what? As ‘good conservatives’ we should ‘remain focused’ and pull that Republican lever in the voting booth no matter what our lying eyes tell us? That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: “Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to.” Mind you, they don’t want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until it’s too late and they’ve developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because they’ll work for less, especially since you’re being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living).

Establishment Republicans are coming out and trying to silence the uproar over Bush’s amnesty plan for illegals. The establishment types (neo-cons) are telling conservatives to keep it down and ‘look at the long view, the big picture.’ What crap! How many times do conservatives have to compromise their values, their beliefs, their standards? Why do we always have to give in but we don’t see anyone else giving in?

The latest in the string of ‘keep your mouths shut’ articles I’ve seen was on GOPUSA, by the president and CEO of that organization, Bobby Eberle. The title of his article was ‘Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture.’ I wrote Mr. Eberle to inform him that conservatives were keeping the big picture, that it was Bush who wasn’t. To me, Eberle’s article, along with all the other ‘hey conservatives, keep quiet about how Bush isn’t conservative’ articles are proof that conservatives and traditionalists are the embarrassing, if needed, stepchildren of the Republican Party. That in itself tells you the Republican Party is not conservative any more.

Given a laundry list of items, would any principled conservative vote for someone who: Continuously increases government spending, driving us deeper into debt; expands central government power over the states; undermines the Bill of Rights with bills such as the USA Patriot Act; cuts deals with other countries that undermine our economy via so-called free trade deals that only go one way (only out with our jobs and only in with products); wants to give millions of criminals (illegal aliens) a pass, thus not only blurring our boarder, but driving wages down and encouraging even more illegals to flood our markets in hopes of yet another amnesty a few years down the road? This is George Bush. He is no conservative. Why vote for a liberal in Republican clothing?

There was a political shift over the last twenty years in the South, as Southerners woke up to the fact that the Democratic Party had been taken over by socialists and no longer represented their interests, thus causing the huge migration to the ‘Party of Reagan.’ Southerners, and other conservatives and traditionalists, need to wake up to the fact that the Republican Party is morphing into merely an evil twin of the Democratic Party, and they need to migrate to another political entity. It could even happen this election year. The key is not which party conservatives and traditionalists are with, but that they stand by their ideals, stand on principle. The neo-cons have already shown that conservatives don’t have a seat at the table in the Republican Party, so why cast our lot with them?

Here’s something else to consider: Even if the House of Representatives kill this amnesty plan of Bush’s, and the establishment Republicans wink at conservatives and traditionalists saying, “Hey, we knew it wouldn’t pass, we just wanted to influence Hispanic votes by acting like we care,” don’t buy it. If the plan goes down to defeat this summer, once Bush gets re-elected in November you can bet it will be back with a vengeance, and the House and Senate will pass the amnesty plan. Nothing in the past 10 years, since the ‘Republican Revolution,’ shows me that the Republicans are conservative or mean anything they say concerning supporting conservative positions. No, there won’t be a socialist getting my vote this year, be he Democrat or be he Republican. As for me, I’ll be voting conservative, which means most likely the Constitution Party. I’m not throwing my vote away; Bush threw it away with everything he and the neo-cons have done for the last four years.

29 January 2004

Jeff Adams


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To: Sabertooth
Are mature adults prone to posting or suggesting vulgarities?

Sometimes, you gotta talk to the spoiled brats in language they can comprehend.

441 posted on 02/02/2004 1:58:32 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: ex-snook
"the neo-con takeover of his administration"

In-as-much as there are more members of the Federalist Society working in his administration than ther are neo-cons, wouldn't be more accurate to say that the feddies have taken over his administation?

442 posted on 02/02/2004 2:00:01 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Dead Corpse

Mature adults understand that conservatives who value our Constitution insist their elected officials adhere to its principles.

Those who don't care make excuses
about how we cannot get out of the 'situation', -- one they themselves have created, -- overnight.

Mind boggling chutzpaw.

443 posted on 02/02/2004 2:00:11 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: Poohbah
Sometimes, you gotta talk to the spoiled brats in language they can comprehend.

Or perhaps you've always been this kind of guy.

I've never noticed you being any different.

Or making much sense for that matter.

Just alot of table-pounding and noise.

444 posted on 02/02/2004 2:00:41 PM PST by OWK
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To: OWK; hchutch; My2Cents; redlipstick; Cultural Jihad; Tamsey
Why do you guys always feel the need to ping your buddies?

Why are you guys afraid of having others see what you're saying, and object to others calling attention to it?

One on one conversation too much for you?

Nope. Public attention sure seems to worry you, though.

I wonder why that is.

445 posted on 02/02/2004 2:01:01 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Poohbah
If voting my conscience means I'm a coward, then I wish there were a hell of a lot more cowards in America.
446 posted on 02/02/2004 2:01:03 PM PST by Quick1
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To: Poohbah
Which indicates that they're content, overall, with the direction the country's going.

The jig is up Karl. Does Dubya know you are posting here? Go out amongst the common folk asshat. They don't vote because they don't believe it'll change a damn thing. For the most part, reality agrees with them.

I don't think...

You should have stopped right there. It would have made your post much more accurate.

447 posted on 02/02/2004 2:01:11 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: OWK
Let's take this step by step. True or false:

George Bush or a Democrat will win the 2004 presidential election.

448 posted on 02/02/2004 2:01:52 PM PST by Warren_Piece (Wake up you Sheeple! The Steelers fan invaders are a bunch of Statists!)
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To: Dead Corpse
I tried having an account over there. I got banned in about my first three postings. They called me a "conservative a$$wad".

Yeah, I haven't even bothered to try. I just want to find out what their take is, sometimes.

The Howard Dean scream threads were a hoot. To their credit, a number of them were embarrassed, and were dropping their support.

Kinda sucks that I've been getting more of the same over here...

Lotsa would-be sharks in this little pond.


449 posted on 02/02/2004 2:01:54 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Poohbah
Why are you guys afraid of having others see what you're saying, and object to others calling attention to it?

Feel free to call in whatvever tin-horn cavalry you can muster, Deputy Fife.

Just curious as to why you guys can't stand on your own without pinging Goober and Gomer over to help.

450 posted on 02/02/2004 2:02:57 PM PST by OWK
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To: Warren_Piece
That question is irrelavent to whom I choose to vote for.
451 posted on 02/02/2004 2:03:32 PM PST by Quick1
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To: Poohbah




Sometimes, you gotta talk to the spoiled brats in language they can comprehend.

Nahhh... too easy.


452 posted on 02/02/2004 2:04:15 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Dead Corpse
The jig is up Karl. Does Dubya know you are posting here?

My, my, my. You're such a self-important person, thinking that Karl Rove would post here.

News flash: he isn't.

Go out amongst the common folk asshat.

Weren't you one of the overly-pious folk complaining about vulgarity a few posts back? Or do I have you confused with another fool?

453 posted on 02/02/2004 2:04:29 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Warren_Piece
Let's take this step by step. True or false: George Bush or a Democrat will win the 2004 presidential election.

OK... but let's rephrase the question.

True or false

Government will get significantly larger no matter who wins the 2004 presidential election?

454 posted on 02/02/2004 2:05:01 PM PST by OWK
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To: Poohbah
"Of the choice of George W. Bush, or the Democrat nominee, who do you prefer to be President starting on January 20th, 2005? "None of the above" is not an acceptable answer. Pick one of the two choices.

At this point I would prefer the Democratic nominee for a few reasons:

1) President George W. Bush has elevated Constitution-shredding power grabs (in the name of security, and what was it that Ben Franklin said about that??) to an art form with the Patriot Act 1 and 2 and the CFR bill. He also pledges to betray the 2nd Amendment, the "palladium of liberties", if a popular majority wants him to.

2)He has signed numerous other unconstitutional bills enlarging federal power and increasing federal expenditures in all manner of social areas, including education, medical care, welfare, etc....at a rate that no Democrat since FDR has matched.

3) Most of the Democratic candidates disagree with the Iraq war to one extent or another, and in their disagreement with that "foreign military adventure" they represent my view better than President Bush.

4) If a Democrat won because principled conservatives took their vote to the Libertarian or Constitution parties, it would force the Republican party to either wake up to and reverse their own leftward drift, or wither and die, to be replaced by a party that would truly represent Constitutional conservatism. If the right-wing comprimisers still want to remain on the winning side, then it would be up to them to take the lead of the principled voter and follow them to another party.

For us, if the choice is between Bush and a Democrat, then there's no choice. Both results stink, and Bush is trying his hardest to stink even worse.
455 posted on 02/02/2004 2:05:52 PM PST by Abe Froman
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To: OWK
Government will get significantly larger no matter who wins the 2004 presidential election?

True

Now, back to OUR question - Does it matter to you whether Bush or a Democrat wins the election?

456 posted on 02/02/2004 2:07:42 PM PST by Warren_Piece (Wake up you Sheeple! The Steelers fan invaders are a bunch of Statists!)
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To: OWK; hchutch; redlipstick; Cultural Jihad; Tamsey; My2Cents
Just curious as to why you guys can't stand on your own without pinging Goober and Gomer over to help.

Your remark--and the bile behind it--indicates more than mere curiousity animates your remarks.

It bothers you to have others who disagree with you able to readily see your posts.

457 posted on 02/02/2004 2:08:12 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: agitator
ping!
458 posted on 02/02/2004 2:09:05 PM PST by diotima (WHACPACSACPAC)
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To: Abe Froman; hchutch; My2Cents; Tamsey; redlipstick; Cultural Jihad
At this point I would prefer the Democratic nominee for a few reasons:

Ah, finally! An honest answer!

Well, so much for your being a "true conservative."

459 posted on 02/02/2004 2:10:30 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Dead Corpse
So you see nothing wrong with a choice between a cup full of pudding with a teaspoon full of feces, and a cup full of feces with a teaspoon of pudding?

Enough with the childish rhetoric... political parties are coalitions and you will not share the values of all those in your party. Like it or not we work with the right half of the voting public and get some of what we want or we stomp off and get nothing.

460 posted on 02/02/2004 2:11:16 PM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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