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I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
Aw, Shucks southern News and Links ^ | 29 January 2004 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat

I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives

Okay, so George Bush has shown that his ‘compassionate conservatism’ is really socialism with conservative lip service. Bush has proven that he is a liberal with a thin veneer of faux conservatism covering the big-government, big-spending core of his true self. So what? As ‘good conservatives’ we should ‘remain focused’ and pull that Republican lever in the voting booth no matter what our lying eyes tell us? That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: “Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to.” Mind you, they don’t want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until it’s too late and they’ve developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because they’ll work for less, especially since you’re being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living).

Establishment Republicans are coming out and trying to silence the uproar over Bush’s amnesty plan for illegals. The establishment types (neo-cons) are telling conservatives to keep it down and ‘look at the long view, the big picture.’ What crap! How many times do conservatives have to compromise their values, their beliefs, their standards? Why do we always have to give in but we don’t see anyone else giving in?

The latest in the string of ‘keep your mouths shut’ articles I’ve seen was on GOPUSA, by the president and CEO of that organization, Bobby Eberle. The title of his article was ‘Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture.’ I wrote Mr. Eberle to inform him that conservatives were keeping the big picture, that it was Bush who wasn’t. To me, Eberle’s article, along with all the other ‘hey conservatives, keep quiet about how Bush isn’t conservative’ articles are proof that conservatives and traditionalists are the embarrassing, if needed, stepchildren of the Republican Party. That in itself tells you the Republican Party is not conservative any more.

Given a laundry list of items, would any principled conservative vote for someone who: Continuously increases government spending, driving us deeper into debt; expands central government power over the states; undermines the Bill of Rights with bills such as the USA Patriot Act; cuts deals with other countries that undermine our economy via so-called free trade deals that only go one way (only out with our jobs and only in with products); wants to give millions of criminals (illegal aliens) a pass, thus not only blurring our boarder, but driving wages down and encouraging even more illegals to flood our markets in hopes of yet another amnesty a few years down the road? This is George Bush. He is no conservative. Why vote for a liberal in Republican clothing?

There was a political shift over the last twenty years in the South, as Southerners woke up to the fact that the Democratic Party had been taken over by socialists and no longer represented their interests, thus causing the huge migration to the ‘Party of Reagan.’ Southerners, and other conservatives and traditionalists, need to wake up to the fact that the Republican Party is morphing into merely an evil twin of the Democratic Party, and they need to migrate to another political entity. It could even happen this election year. The key is not which party conservatives and traditionalists are with, but that they stand by their ideals, stand on principle. The neo-cons have already shown that conservatives don’t have a seat at the table in the Republican Party, so why cast our lot with them?

Here’s something else to consider: Even if the House of Representatives kill this amnesty plan of Bush’s, and the establishment Republicans wink at conservatives and traditionalists saying, “Hey, we knew it wouldn’t pass, we just wanted to influence Hispanic votes by acting like we care,” don’t buy it. If the plan goes down to defeat this summer, once Bush gets re-elected in November you can bet it will be back with a vengeance, and the House and Senate will pass the amnesty plan. Nothing in the past 10 years, since the ‘Republican Revolution,’ shows me that the Republicans are conservative or mean anything they say concerning supporting conservative positions. No, there won’t be a socialist getting my vote this year, be he Democrat or be he Republican. As for me, I’ll be voting conservative, which means most likely the Constitution Party. I’m not throwing my vote away; Bush threw it away with everything he and the neo-cons have done for the last four years.

29 January 2004

Jeff Adams


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To: dmzTahoe
There is no reason to think that any sort of "2nd revolution" is necesarry at all.

I'm not amputating my foot to spite the wart on my toe.

I'd rather not sacrifice an entire generation to an avoidable war that will kill millions, whose outcome is anything but certain.

I just can't see it that way. :/

281 posted on 02/02/2004 11:28:23 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: MJY1288
Pretending something is so in order to stroke your own ego and avoid admitting a simple error is very telling about a person's character. What it tells is more more troubling than someone being "anal", whatever that means.
282 posted on 02/02/2004 11:28:41 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: All
“In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate — look to his character....” —Noah Webster

Enough said.
283 posted on 02/02/2004 11:28:52 AM PST by looscnnn (Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right? -- Megadeth (Peace Sells))
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To: Tamsey
some folks here don't seem to have enough brain cells to realize that you can support a candidate even if they don't meet your preferences 100%.

Well rub those brain cells together and tell me what percentage you support of his domestic policy?

Do you support his prescription plan for seniors?

How bout his expanded federal involvement in education?

His expansion of the NEA? do you support that?

How about his willingness to sign the nations biggest pork bill in history into law? Did you support that?

Did you support his extension of unemployment benefits in perpetuity?

How about his growing of medicare? Did you support that?

Did you support his statement of affirmation in support of assault weapons bans?

How about his massive increases in foreign aid?

His giving Clinton a pass of prosecution? Did you support that?

284 posted on 02/02/2004 11:29:07 AM PST by OWK
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To: robowombat; carton253
So, you're tired of people who don't subscribe to your particular stripe of conservatism....

When Pat Buchanan or some other "paleo" wins more than 1% of the vote in a national election, page me.

285 posted on 02/02/2004 11:29:36 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: OWK
How about a little accountability?

I repeat...What's your suggestion?

286 posted on 02/02/2004 11:30:59 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: OWK
Save your preaching for the other leftists of your kind.

More of that breathtaking arrogance, you guys really take it to an art form...

Someone disagrees with you on the best strategy on how to get conservative values implemented in the political arena.... so they are automatically a leftist in your mind.

Sorry, YOU are the only advocating actions and ideals that will assist a leftist in taking the White House. How quickly will Kerry shackle America to the will and whim of the U.N. and the socialists in charge?

Goody for you, you worked and campaigned... so did many of us. Not enough of us or not hard enough, because the LEFTISTS convinced more mushy middles to cross to the Dark Side and the whole country has been turning pink.

287 posted on 02/02/2004 11:31:04 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Sockdologer
lol you don't know how many times I have seen the same thing.
288 posted on 02/02/2004 11:33:23 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Good night Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: Tamsey
More of that breathtaking arrogance, you guys really take it to an art form...

It was you who chose to be insulting.

You can live with the result.

Someone disagrees with you on the best strategy on how to get conservative values implemented in the political arena.... so they are automatically a leftist in your mind.

You are not a leftist because you disagree with me.

You are a leftist because you support the government seizure and redistribution of wealth at gunpoint.

Don't like the sound of it?

Maybe you need to rethink your position.

289 posted on 02/02/2004 11:33:32 AM PST by OWK
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To: looscnnn
You seem to know your sh!t.
290 posted on 02/02/2004 11:33:39 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: My2Cents
I repeat...What's your suggestion?

Stop cheerleading.

Start criticizing.

If you don't criticize it.... they think you like it.

291 posted on 02/02/2004 11:35:48 AM PST by OWK
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To: Protagoras
"What it tells is more more"

What's that story about a spec in someone else's eye, and a log in your own

Now get yourself a dictionary and a mirror and look up the word "anal" and it will all make sense to you, in your Nickelodeon world

292 posted on 02/02/2004 11:37:33 AM PST by MJY1288 (VOTE CONSTITUTION PARTY IF YOU WANT A DEMOCRAT)
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To: Tamsey
"Nope... the most distasteful thing on the right is the arrogance of some who assuming anyone trying to make sure Bush stays in the White House is blindly cheerleading for him. It's that same arrogance that makes folks like you so ridiculously blind about how destructive your strategy is to the right"

If President Bush is "the right", then the right is now "the left". Voting for Bush DID NOTHING to advance the cause of "the right". His utter disregard for the Constitution and our money is at a level that the Democrats can only hope to match. There is no effective difference between Bush and the Democratic candidate. It is those that are willing to cling to the Bush/RNC bandwagon at any cost that are hurting the cause of "the right".

Why do you vote for the Republican candidate anyway? On what principles? And would it be possible for the Republican candidate to abandon that platform to the point that you would actually change your vote? If not, then you are blindly being led to the slaughter. I might share the same fate, but at least my eyes are open and I'm willing to put up a fight.
293 posted on 02/02/2004 11:38:08 AM PST by Abe Froman
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To: Abe Froman
Not to mention that a Democrat being elected in office (Kerry) in 2004 would have an economy that is ramping up working in his favor and it is unlikely that it would crater by 2008, thus the Democrat (Kerry) would have a greater chance for re-election in 2008, effectively locking Hillary Clinton OUT from EVER running for President. The soonest she'd be able to run would be 2012 and she'd be age 65 then and I find it highly unlikely that Americans would vote a woman that old into the highest office of the land.
294 posted on 02/02/2004 11:38:12 AM PST by xrp
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To: MJY1288
What are you, ten years old?
295 posted on 02/02/2004 11:38:29 AM PST by OWK
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To: Constantine XIII
"I'm not amputating my foot to spite the wart on my toe."

But when you allow that "wart" to remain, untreated, and spread to many "warts" and it soon infects your whole body and becomes much worse, then shame on you. I'm not saying to amputate...I say treat...and the treatment is uniting now and showing GWB we are serious, not forgiving. And if not heard, amputation is the next thing needed to save the body.

296 posted on 02/02/2004 11:38:53 AM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: dmzTahoe
I would agree if the situation wasn't so tenuous. I believe the War on Terror is the number one priority for the next 10 years. The threat of Islamic terror must be defeated. There is only one candidate running for President, with a legitimate chance of winning, who will continue the fight.

I will not give the Democrats the opportunity to make 2 possibly 3 appointments to the Supreme Court either, which is what your strategy of "deal with in now rather than later" will accomplish.

So, I may have a pain in my body... but I will not cut my nose off to spite my face in hopes that is the cure.

297 posted on 02/02/2004 11:39:01 AM PST by carton253 (I have no genius at seeming.)
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To: robowombat; carton253; PhiKapMom; Tamsey; onyx; doodlelady; afraidfortherepublic; Wolfstar; ...
Anyone who votes for a minor third-party isn't throwing away their vote...They've simply marginalized themselves, and have become a non-entity in the nation's political process.

Did you see the list posted on FR last week of conservative positions Bush has taken in his first 36 months in office? I printed it out. The list was seven pages long. Seven pages of itemized conservative positions from this Administration, and you pick on what?...one or two pet peeves? You say you're tired of "neos-" attacking "conservatives", but I'm tired of people who have narrowed the "conservative" position down to one or two pet issues and positions. If you can't see the big picture, you're not much use to the conservative movement in this country.

298 posted on 02/02/2004 11:40:21 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: redlipstick
redlipstick wrote:

JimRob put it so well last night. It's a shame that thread ended up in
the SBR.


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Who do you think put that thread in the Backroom?

- And why?
299 posted on 02/02/2004 11:40:42 AM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: OWK
Well rub those brain cells together and tell me what percentage you support of his domestic policy?

Most of those I don't support.

I did support the changes to Medicare, but then again so did Newt.

The increases to foreign aid I support if they resulted from deals with countries that are helping us quietly scoop up terrorists (for example the base we promised Yemen).

NEA I don't like but it's a piddly amount really. I will, however, support it entirely if Bush has been planning to use that increase to the NEA as political cover to yank funding from the CPB (which looks like it will be going into play).

The more important question here which gives YOU a chance to rub your brain cells together.... how much of each item has the backing of more than half the American voter pool? THAT is political reality and THAT is where we are falling down on the job and THAT is what Bush is stuck dealing with.

300 posted on 02/02/2004 11:41:50 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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