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I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
Aw, Shucks southern News and Links ^ | 29 January 2004 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat

I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives

Okay, so George Bush has shown that his ‘compassionate conservatism’ is really socialism with conservative lip service. Bush has proven that he is a liberal with a thin veneer of faux conservatism covering the big-government, big-spending core of his true self. So what? As ‘good conservatives’ we should ‘remain focused’ and pull that Republican lever in the voting booth no matter what our lying eyes tell us? That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: “Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to.” Mind you, they don’t want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until it’s too late and they’ve developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because they’ll work for less, especially since you’re being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living).

Establishment Republicans are coming out and trying to silence the uproar over Bush’s amnesty plan for illegals. The establishment types (neo-cons) are telling conservatives to keep it down and ‘look at the long view, the big picture.’ What crap! How many times do conservatives have to compromise their values, their beliefs, their standards? Why do we always have to give in but we don’t see anyone else giving in?

The latest in the string of ‘keep your mouths shut’ articles I’ve seen was on GOPUSA, by the president and CEO of that organization, Bobby Eberle. The title of his article was ‘Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture.’ I wrote Mr. Eberle to inform him that conservatives were keeping the big picture, that it was Bush who wasn’t. To me, Eberle’s article, along with all the other ‘hey conservatives, keep quiet about how Bush isn’t conservative’ articles are proof that conservatives and traditionalists are the embarrassing, if needed, stepchildren of the Republican Party. That in itself tells you the Republican Party is not conservative any more.

Given a laundry list of items, would any principled conservative vote for someone who: Continuously increases government spending, driving us deeper into debt; expands central government power over the states; undermines the Bill of Rights with bills such as the USA Patriot Act; cuts deals with other countries that undermine our economy via so-called free trade deals that only go one way (only out with our jobs and only in with products); wants to give millions of criminals (illegal aliens) a pass, thus not only blurring our boarder, but driving wages down and encouraging even more illegals to flood our markets in hopes of yet another amnesty a few years down the road? This is George Bush. He is no conservative. Why vote for a liberal in Republican clothing?

There was a political shift over the last twenty years in the South, as Southerners woke up to the fact that the Democratic Party had been taken over by socialists and no longer represented their interests, thus causing the huge migration to the ‘Party of Reagan.’ Southerners, and other conservatives and traditionalists, need to wake up to the fact that the Republican Party is morphing into merely an evil twin of the Democratic Party, and they need to migrate to another political entity. It could even happen this election year. The key is not which party conservatives and traditionalists are with, but that they stand by their ideals, stand on principle. The neo-cons have already shown that conservatives don’t have a seat at the table in the Republican Party, so why cast our lot with them?

Here’s something else to consider: Even if the House of Representatives kill this amnesty plan of Bush’s, and the establishment Republicans wink at conservatives and traditionalists saying, “Hey, we knew it wouldn’t pass, we just wanted to influence Hispanic votes by acting like we care,” don’t buy it. If the plan goes down to defeat this summer, once Bush gets re-elected in November you can bet it will be back with a vengeance, and the House and Senate will pass the amnesty plan. Nothing in the past 10 years, since the ‘Republican Revolution,’ shows me that the Republicans are conservative or mean anything they say concerning supporting conservative positions. No, there won’t be a socialist getting my vote this year, be he Democrat or be he Republican. As for me, I’ll be voting conservative, which means most likely the Constitution Party. I’m not throwing my vote away; Bush threw it away with everything he and the neo-cons have done for the last four years.

29 January 2004

Jeff Adams


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To: OWK
Just when exactly is that gonna happen? First we had no Whitehouse, no House, no Senate

It seems you have the patience of a gnat. The country has been on a hard and steady push to the left for DECADES, it will take us longer than 3 years to undo the enormous damage to our country.

Regardless of how long it should take in your mind, the fact is that approximately half the country falls to the right and in the GOP of our current center and the other half falls to the left and in the DNC. THAT is our political reality no matter how much we whine.

241 posted on 02/02/2004 11:01:12 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Tamsey
Let me get this straight. If we invite lefties to become Republicans, that will not move the party to the left?
243 posted on 02/02/2004 11:01:24 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: Tamsey
That's the beauty of the system we inherited. We TALK to leftie voters and show them why conservative values are better than liberal ones.

You might want to start by talking to that notorious lefty.. George W. Bush.

For some reason he thinks new social programs, increased federal involvement in education, budget-busting pork, an expanded NEA, and federalizing airport workers is "conservative".

244 posted on 02/02/2004 11:01:42 AM PST by OWK
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To: Columbine
You're just a troll.

Posting thoughtful comments which go against the conventional is not trolling. But how are relative newbies supposed to know that?

245 posted on 02/02/2004 11:02:24 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: cinFLA
I hate all the Bush-haters! They only post their rants, never a balance post. Never give Bush credit for trying to keep the republicans in power, recover from the Clinton recession, fighting two wars to save the Bush-hater's a$$e$. Y'all might just as well go over to DU where you would be more welcome.

You need to learn the difference between a conservative news forum (FreeRepublic) and a Republican news forum (I don't know of any). Conservatives (like myself) who are more conservative than you support Bush's standings on defense and taxes, however they are disenchanted with Bush's ballooning of the federal government (Medicare, Dept Agri, Dept Ed, NEA, spend, spend, spend, $$$ for AIDS Africa). Therefore, while Bush has been betraying the ideals of conservativism, the "Bush haters" have not, instead they desire a limited (read: SMALLER) government where federal spending is REDUCED instead of increased. That is the difference between an intelligent conservative and a simple-minded, follow the leader Bushbot. Intelligent conservatives are much more in the right place at FreeRepublic as opposed to Bushbots who are lock-in-step with President Bush's liberal, vote-buying agenda.

246 posted on 02/02/2004 11:03:12 AM PST by xrp
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To: Mr. Low Key
"My first principle when voting is not to do anything that will put the worst choice in office. "

"That would be an inspiring, uplifting campaign slogan"

LOL

That would be a great campaign slogan: "Vote for him, he's not so bad!"

247 posted on 02/02/2004 11:03:20 AM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: cinFLA
You are not throwing your vote away; you are throwing your support to Kerry, Kennedy, Soros ...

Choosing to vote for a true conservative, as opposed to President Bush is not throwing support to Kerry, Kennedy, Soros, etc. That's a pretty stupid statement.

248 posted on 02/02/2004 11:04:31 AM PST by xrp
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To: dmzTahoe
The fact is that you have no better choice to offer.

If there was a more conservative candidate with a realistic chance to win we would all vote for him.

There isn't. So you think we should all join you in electing the most liberal candidates because you are mad.

Dream on. Logical people don't care about your tantrums.

Bye for now. See you all next time.
249 posted on 02/02/2004 11:04:33 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: cinFLA
You are not throwing your vote away; you are throwing your support to Kerry, Kennedy, Soros ...

Choosing to vote for a true conservative, as opposed to President Bush is not throwing support to Kerry, Kennedy, Soros, etc. That's a pretty stupid statement.

(Forgot to close the italics on previous)

250 posted on 02/02/2004 11:05:42 AM PST by xrp
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To: Tamsey
It seems you have the patience of a gnat.

On the contrary.

I waited for decades for the GOP to make good on it's rhetoric.

But I got a rock.

The country has been on a hard and steady push to the left for DECADES,

Uhhh.. yeah... that was kinda my point.

And the GOP has held either the whitehouse, OR both houses of congress for a significant part of that time.

And rather than turn back the leftist tide, they embraced it, and propelled it forward.

If you can't see that, you're being dishonest with yourself.

251 posted on 02/02/2004 11:05:58 AM PST by OWK
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To: Abe Froman
The safeguard the Founders had installed to prevent the "20% from forcing it's ideals on the other 80%" (that safeguard being the Constitution itself) is now routinely ignored and superceded.

Which safeguard is that, praytell? One worked fairly well in 2000 when it put Bush in the office despite Gore winning the popular vote.

We deal with the America we have NOW and work within the system we have NOW... the Founders would surely shoot us personally if we deliberately handed America over to a Democrat that wants to subjugate her once and for all to Europe and the U.N.

252 posted on 02/02/2004 11:06:23 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: VU4G10
And so Bush can be all things to all people so we'll be blessed with him for another FOUR years! Lovely.
253 posted on 02/02/2004 11:06:56 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: OWK
So what would you have us do? What is your grand strategy to change the country?

Demolition is easy, it is building up that is work.
254 posted on 02/02/2004 11:07:19 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: robowombat
bump
255 posted on 02/02/2004 11:08:10 AM PST by St.Chuck
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To: Columbine
"If there was a more conservative candidate with a realistic chance to win we would all vote for him."And there will never be a more conservative candidate if you don't demand one. You continue to not hold GWB accountable, allowing him a free pass to swing as far left as he wishes.

If the entire base of Repub's expressed complete anger and disgust with GWB, don't you think he would change course?

As long as you continue youe unconditional love, why should he change?

256 posted on 02/02/2004 11:08:26 AM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: dmzTahoe
Well, yeah. But we didn't get rid of King George and put Robespierre in his place.
257 posted on 02/02/2004 11:09:13 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: Constantine XIII
So what would you have us do?

You might start by actually changing your OWN expectations.

Stop apologizing for leftism on the part of your party, and start criticising it.

When you cheerlead and excuse-monger for every socialist abomination that comes down the pike.. your party begins to think you actually like it.

(maybe you do)

258 posted on 02/02/2004 11:10:10 AM PST by OWK
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To: Constantine XIII
Apology in advance for the "maybe you do" comment.

It was harsher than I wanted to sound.

259 posted on 02/02/2004 11:11:14 AM PST by OWK
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To: Tamsey
The Founders don't need to be blamed for anything. It is the "overall political climate" of comprimise that is to be blamed. The Founders installed a system whereby the political climate would not be able to eliminate Constitutional limits on federal power, spending, and everything else. The modern political climate has, unfortunately, still found a way around the Constitution and as a result, those limits and our Constitional rights are now up for the popular vote, which was never intended (other than in the case of a Constitutional amendment.) Now that the Constitution has been thrown out the window and we are a popular democracy, voting for the (supposed) least of two evils simply brings us further down the path we don't want to go. The line must be drawn at some point, and while the results may not be initially pretty, things will have to get worse before they get better. The Republican Party must be tested to see if they are willing to actually represent Constituitonal conservatism or if power must be shifted en masse to another party that will.

Those that blindly cheerlead for Bush can do so all they want but you're not going to sway us. Bush is every bit as distasteful as Clinton or any one of the current Democratic candidates and perhaps even worse in his no-limit power grabbing and spending habits.
260 posted on 02/02/2004 11:11:25 AM PST by Abe Froman
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