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I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
Aw, Shucks southern News and Links ^ | 29 January 2004 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat

I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives

Okay, so George Bush has shown that his ‘compassionate conservatism’ is really socialism with conservative lip service. Bush has proven that he is a liberal with a thin veneer of faux conservatism covering the big-government, big-spending core of his true self. So what? As ‘good conservatives’ we should ‘remain focused’ and pull that Republican lever in the voting booth no matter what our lying eyes tell us? That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: “Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to.” Mind you, they don’t want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until it’s too late and they’ve developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because they’ll work for less, especially since you’re being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living).

Establishment Republicans are coming out and trying to silence the uproar over Bush’s amnesty plan for illegals. The establishment types (neo-cons) are telling conservatives to keep it down and ‘look at the long view, the big picture.’ What crap! How many times do conservatives have to compromise their values, their beliefs, their standards? Why do we always have to give in but we don’t see anyone else giving in?

The latest in the string of ‘keep your mouths shut’ articles I’ve seen was on GOPUSA, by the president and CEO of that organization, Bobby Eberle. The title of his article was ‘Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture.’ I wrote Mr. Eberle to inform him that conservatives were keeping the big picture, that it was Bush who wasn’t. To me, Eberle’s article, along with all the other ‘hey conservatives, keep quiet about how Bush isn’t conservative’ articles are proof that conservatives and traditionalists are the embarrassing, if needed, stepchildren of the Republican Party. That in itself tells you the Republican Party is not conservative any more.

Given a laundry list of items, would any principled conservative vote for someone who: Continuously increases government spending, driving us deeper into debt; expands central government power over the states; undermines the Bill of Rights with bills such as the USA Patriot Act; cuts deals with other countries that undermine our economy via so-called free trade deals that only go one way (only out with our jobs and only in with products); wants to give millions of criminals (illegal aliens) a pass, thus not only blurring our boarder, but driving wages down and encouraging even more illegals to flood our markets in hopes of yet another amnesty a few years down the road? This is George Bush. He is no conservative. Why vote for a liberal in Republican clothing?

There was a political shift over the last twenty years in the South, as Southerners woke up to the fact that the Democratic Party had been taken over by socialists and no longer represented their interests, thus causing the huge migration to the ‘Party of Reagan.’ Southerners, and other conservatives and traditionalists, need to wake up to the fact that the Republican Party is morphing into merely an evil twin of the Democratic Party, and they need to migrate to another political entity. It could even happen this election year. The key is not which party conservatives and traditionalists are with, but that they stand by their ideals, stand on principle. The neo-cons have already shown that conservatives don’t have a seat at the table in the Republican Party, so why cast our lot with them?

Here’s something else to consider: Even if the House of Representatives kill this amnesty plan of Bush’s, and the establishment Republicans wink at conservatives and traditionalists saying, “Hey, we knew it wouldn’t pass, we just wanted to influence Hispanic votes by acting like we care,” don’t buy it. If the plan goes down to defeat this summer, once Bush gets re-elected in November you can bet it will be back with a vengeance, and the House and Senate will pass the amnesty plan. Nothing in the past 10 years, since the ‘Republican Revolution,’ shows me that the Republicans are conservative or mean anything they say concerning supporting conservative positions. No, there won’t be a socialist getting my vote this year, be he Democrat or be he Republican. As for me, I’ll be voting conservative, which means most likely the Constitution Party. I’m not throwing my vote away; Bush threw it away with everything he and the neo-cons have done for the last four years.

29 January 2004

Jeff Adams


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To: OWK

I know, I know, the country has been moving left... and damn those founders for making us deal with the political spectrum as it exists at the TIME of an election.

What morons.

Fortunately they created a system that would keep 20% of the population from forcing its ideals on the other 80%. It's kept the Greens and socialists from banding together and taking over, but it also gets in our way... as well it should if we can't sell our political values to more than half the voting public.

I guess we'll just have to move the country to the right they way they INTENDED... by lobbying fellow citizens with truth and convincing arguments to move from the left to the right. Oh, and that is in TODAY'S political spectrum, it won't do us much use gathering like-minded voters from 1800.
221 posted on 02/02/2004 10:45:08 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: dmzTahoe
I don't know who you were quoting there, sir. But it wasn't me.
222 posted on 02/02/2004 10:46:32 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: cinFLA
You are not throwing your vote away; you are throwing your support to Kerry, Kennedy, Soros ...

The only way to throw away your vote is to vote for something you don't want.

Who paid you to post this nonsense?

223 posted on 02/02/2004 10:47:29 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Sockdologer
I'm sorry...wrong quote. My humblest apologies.

Should have been: "I'd pick voting for someone who's a little better than the left over someone who is completely left any day. "

Regards

224 posted on 02/02/2004 10:49:23 AM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: Mr. Low Key
If I thought for one minute that you were serious about wanting information and didn't know how to find it yourself, I would bring it here and post it.

But you smell so strongly of troll that I'm not going to waste one minute on you.

Buzz off!
225 posted on 02/02/2004 10:49:30 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: Columbine
I am aware that splitting the vote might elect a Democrat. I am willing to do that if the vote reveals that conservatives abandoned Bush for principled, uncomprimising conservative candidates. As said before, sometimes things have to get worse before they get better (and with a divided government perhaps, in some respects, they might even be better. Tell me: under whose tenure did the budget grow at a greater rate, Clinton or Bush?)
226 posted on 02/02/2004 10:50:27 AM PST by Abe Froman
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To: Marie
No, the republicans aren't as bad as the dems... yet.

And that's sufficient credentials for you to support them?

Sheesh.

227 posted on 02/02/2004 10:50:49 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: dmzTahoe
That would be a much more attractive prospect if our party hadn't tried that sort of correction before.

Instead of uniting and taking care of business after four years, we re-elected Bill Clinton. And did we get a real conservative after his term? We got Mr. Bush. You don't
seem to think he can claim that title.

No, what happened was a disaster. So, while I can see why you'd want to try it, and I might even like to believe it would work - I think you'll find that the real consequences
of your actions won't be pretty. If they aren't, will you stand up and admit it? Will you hold yourself accountable?
228 posted on 02/02/2004 10:50:53 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: MJY1288
Thanks for correcting my typo

LOL,,anyone can misspell a word, or make a typo, but there is a difference.

The E isn't near the I. Use the spell checker, it's free.

229 posted on 02/02/2004 10:51:58 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Tamsey
I guess we'll just have to move the country to the right they way they INTENDED... by lobbying fellow citizens with truth and convincing arguments to move from the left to the right.

Just when exactly is that gonna happen?

First we had no Whitehouse, no House, no Senate.

We were drifting left. Give us the House they said, and we'll halt this drift.

And we drifted steady left.

We need the Senate too they said... and they got it.

And the leftward drift accelerated.

But only with the Whitehouse, can we lead, they said..

And they got it.. and the nation LURCHED leftward.

Uhhhh... when exactly is the GOP going to even SLOW the leftward progression... much less stop it or reverse it?

They outleft the lefties as far as I can tell.

230 posted on 02/02/2004 10:52:00 AM PST by OWK
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To: dmzTahoe
If GWB is not willing to act like a true conservative and govern to the right, I can take 4 years of hell if it means we unite and finally correct the course.

What you will get is 8 years of hell and 30 years of a leftwing Supreme Court.

By then you won't have to worry about who is more or less conservative because you won't have any choices left.

It just doesn't make sense to pick the worst option in the hopes it will teach someone a lesson.

231 posted on 02/02/2004 10:52:39 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: Ches
How do you propose we do this? By moving farther left? Redefining left and right? Or inviting them over and them belittling them?

Ahhhhh, so glad you asked! That's the beauty of the system we inherited. We TALK to leftie voters and show them why conservative values are better than liberal ones. The more folks that move to the right-half coalition, the farther to the right the center moves and the two parties move.

As far as "belittling" goes, the most significant belittling we see on the right is toward moderate right-wingers.... somehow they seem even more despised than liberals. We need them as part of our coalition or we get NOTHING of what we want instead of SOME of it.

233 posted on 02/02/2004 10:55:49 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Sockdologer
"If they aren't, will you stand up and admit it? Will you hold yourself accountable?"

I, for one, would be willing to stand up and take the consequences head on now, rather than delay the inevitable.

Tell me, if King George III had cut a few tax measures in the late 1700's, how many of the anti-England crowd would have been appeased. Thank God for those in the 1700's that did not compromise their principles and weren't appeased by an occasional bone.

Take a stand and demand!!

234 posted on 02/02/2004 10:56:07 AM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: Tamsey
That is an incorrect assesment of today's political climate. The safeguard the Founders had installed to prevent the "20% from forcing it's ideals on the other 80%" (that safeguard being the Constitution itself) is now routinely ignored and superceded. As a result, both the minority and the majority have the ability to tyrannize each other, depending on the issue at hand. Effectively, we are a popular democracy at this point. Only when principled Constitutional conservatives start being elected will those safeguards have a chance at being put back into place.
235 posted on 02/02/2004 10:56:44 AM PST by Abe Froman
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To: Abe Froman
I am aware that splitting the vote might elect a Democrat. I am willing to do that if the vote reveals that conservatives abandoned Bush for principled, uncomprimising conservative candidates. As said before, sometimes things have to get worse before they get better (and with a divided government perhaps, in some respects, they might even be better. Tell me: under whose tenure did the budget grow at a greater rate, Clinton or Bush?)

I'm not ready to concede the country to them. I'm not ready to give Clinton/Kerry/Dean or whomever 8 more years.

There is a lot of talk here about principles.

My first principle when voting is not to do anything that will put the worst choice in office.

236 posted on 02/02/2004 10:58:25 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: robowombat
"That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: “Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to.” Mind you, they don’t want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until it’s too late and they’veg developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because they’ll work for less, especially since you’re being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living)."

I'm glad there are others who see the truth concerning the liberal right wing and the communist left wing; perhaps the day is coming when the true blue "conservative values" conservatives will unite under a new conservative banner with the conservative values we hold. The liberal conservative republican party is an insult to thinking conservatives who love God,family and country.
I pray the good LORD will give us victory over those who hate the great creator God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.
237 posted on 02/02/2004 10:59:13 AM PST by wgeorge2001 (Pr. 8:36 36. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death)
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To: Columbine
"What you will get is 8 years of hell and 30 years of a leftwing Supreme Court."

I doubt it. By the end of the fourth year, even you and your apologists will have had enough, the sane independents and Reagan Democrats will have had enough, and all will unite with the conservative idealists to once and for all rid the world of this liberal disease...

Kinda like the final battle in the LOTR Return of the King. :^)

238 posted on 02/02/2004 10:59:43 AM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: Mr. Low Key
No, what's clear is that you are a troll.
239 posted on 02/02/2004 11:00:10 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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