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I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
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| 29 January 2004
| Jeff Adams
Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat
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To: OWK
I know, I know, the country has been moving left... and damn those founders for making us deal with the political spectrum as it exists at the TIME of an election.
What morons.
Fortunately they created a system that would keep 20% of the population from forcing its ideals on the other 80%. It's kept the Greens and socialists from banding together and taking over, but it also gets in our way... as well it should if we can't sell our political values to more than half the voting public.
I guess we'll just have to move the country to the right they way they INTENDED... by lobbying fellow citizens with truth and convincing arguments to move from the left to the right. Oh, and that is in TODAY'S political spectrum, it won't do us much use gathering like-minded voters from 1800.
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:45:08 AM PST
by
Tamzee
(W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
To: dmzTahoe
I don't know who you were quoting there, sir. But it wasn't me.
To: cinFLA
You are not throwing your vote away; you are throwing your support to Kerry, Kennedy, Soros ...The only way to throw away your vote is to vote for something you don't want.
Who paid you to post this nonsense?
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:47:29 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
To: Sockdologer
I'm sorry...wrong quote. My humblest apologies.
Should have been: "I'd pick voting for someone who's a little better than the left over someone who is completely left any day. "
Regards
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:49:23 AM PST
by
dmzTahoe
(1.)
To: Mr. Low Key
If I thought for one minute that you were serious about wanting information and didn't know how to find it yourself, I would bring it here and post it.
But you smell so strongly of troll that I'm not going to waste one minute on you.
Buzz off!
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:49:30 AM PST
by
Columbine
(Bush '04 - Owens '08)
To: Columbine
I am aware that splitting the vote might elect a Democrat. I am willing to do that if the vote reveals that conservatives abandoned Bush for principled, uncomprimising conservative candidates. As said before, sometimes things have to get worse before they get better (and with a divided government perhaps, in some respects, they might even be better. Tell me: under whose tenure did the budget grow at a greater rate, Clinton or Bush?)
To: Marie
No, the republicans aren't as bad as the dems... yet. And that's sufficient credentials for you to support them?
Sheesh.
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:50:49 AM PST
by
Hank Rearden
(Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
To: dmzTahoe
That would be a much more attractive prospect if our party hadn't tried that sort of correction before.
Instead of uniting and taking care of business after four years, we re-elected Bill Clinton. And did we get a real conservative after his term? We got Mr. Bush. You don't
seem to think he can claim that title.
No, what happened was a disaster. So, while I can see why you'd want to try it, and I might even like to believe it would work - I think you'll find that the real consequences
of your actions won't be pretty. If they aren't, will you stand up and admit it? Will you hold yourself accountable?
To: MJY1288
Thanks for correcting my typoLOL,,anyone can misspell a word, or make a typo, but there is a difference.
The E isn't near the I. Use the spell checker, it's free.
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:51:58 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
To: Tamsey
I guess we'll just have to move the country to the right they way they INTENDED... by lobbying fellow citizens with truth and convincing arguments to move from the left to the right. Just when exactly is that gonna happen?
First we had no Whitehouse, no House, no Senate.
We were drifting left. Give us the House they said, and we'll halt this drift.
And we drifted steady left.
We need the Senate too they said... and they got it.
And the leftward drift accelerated.
But only with the Whitehouse, can we lead, they said..
And they got it.. and the nation LURCHED leftward.
Uhhhh... when exactly is the GOP going to even SLOW the leftward progression... much less stop it or reverse it?
They outleft the lefties as far as I can tell.
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:52:00 AM PST
by
OWK
To: dmzTahoe
If GWB is not willing to act like a true conservative and govern to the right, I can take 4 years of hell if it means we unite and finally correct the course. What you will get is 8 years of hell and 30 years of a leftwing Supreme Court.
By then you won't have to worry about who is more or less conservative because you won't have any choices left.
It just doesn't make sense to pick the worst option in the hopes it will teach someone a lesson.
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:52:39 AM PST
by
Columbine
(Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: Ches
How do you propose we do this? By moving farther left? Redefining left and right? Or inviting them over and them belittling them?
Ahhhhh, so glad you asked! That's the beauty of the system we inherited. We TALK to leftie voters and show them why conservative values are better than liberal ones. The more folks that move to the right-half coalition, the farther to the right the center moves and the two parties move.
As far as "belittling" goes, the most significant belittling we see on the right is toward moderate right-wingers.... somehow they seem even more despised than liberals. We need them as part of our coalition or we get NOTHING of what we want instead of SOME of it.
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:55:49 AM PST
by
Tamzee
(W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
To: Sockdologer
"If they aren't, will you stand up and admit it? Will you hold yourself accountable?"I, for one, would be willing to stand up and take the consequences head on now, rather than delay the inevitable.
Tell me, if King George III had cut a few tax measures in the late 1700's, how many of the anti-England crowd would have been appeased. Thank God for those in the 1700's that did not compromise their principles and weren't appeased by an occasional bone.
Take a stand and demand!!
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:56:07 AM PST
by
dmzTahoe
(1.)
To: Tamsey
That is an incorrect assesment of today's political climate. The safeguard the Founders had installed to prevent the "20% from forcing it's ideals on the other 80%" (that safeguard being the Constitution itself) is now routinely ignored and superceded. As a result, both the minority and the majority have the ability to tyrannize each other, depending on the issue at hand. Effectively, we are a popular democracy at this point. Only when principled Constitutional conservatives start being elected will those safeguards have a chance at being put back into place.
To: Abe Froman
I am aware that splitting the vote might elect a Democrat. I am willing to do that if the vote reveals that conservatives abandoned Bush for principled, uncomprimising conservative candidates. As said before, sometimes things have to get worse before they get better (and with a divided government perhaps, in some respects, they might even be better. Tell me: under whose tenure did the budget grow at a greater rate, Clinton or Bush?) I'm not ready to concede the country to them. I'm not ready to give Clinton/Kerry/Dean or whomever 8 more years.
There is a lot of talk here about principles.
My first principle when voting is not to do anything that will put the worst choice in office.
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:58:25 AM PST
by
Columbine
(Bush '04 - Owens '08)
To: robowombat
"That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to. Mind you, they dont want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until its too late and theyveg developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because theyll work for less, especially since youre being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living)."
I'm glad there are others who see the truth concerning the liberal right wing and the communist left wing; perhaps the day is coming when the true blue "conservative values" conservatives will unite under a new conservative banner with the conservative values we hold. The liberal conservative republican party is an insult to thinking conservatives who love God,family and country.
I pray the good LORD will give us victory over those who hate the great creator God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:59:13 AM PST
by
wgeorge2001
(Pr. 8:36 36. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death)
To: Columbine
"What you will get is 8 years of hell and 30 years of a leftwing Supreme Court."I doubt it. By the end of the fourth year, even you and your apologists will have had enough, the sane independents and Reagan Democrats will have had enough, and all will unite with the conservative idealists to once and for all rid the world of this liberal disease...
Kinda like the final battle in the LOTR Return of the King. :^)
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posted on
02/02/2004 10:59:43 AM PST
by
dmzTahoe
(1.)
To: Mr. Low Key
No, what's clear is that you are a troll.
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posted on
02/02/2004 11:00:10 AM PST
by
Columbine
(Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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