The Paradox of Unified Control–How Conservatives Can Win Without Bush

Vanity | 1/31/2004 | Self

[Texasforever]

Clearly, the problem is when a candidate makes the promises in the first place.

Except of course if you agree with them.

[Howlin]

If Dean is elected and follows through on his promise to repeal Bush's tax cuts, you'd be attacking him for it.

And why shouldn't we be attacking Dean if he's elected? Our votes won't put him in office.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I read this stuff all the time in FR from supposed "real conservatives".

The argument boils down to the idea that Kerry defeating Bush in 2004, with a divided majority in the Senate, and the inevitability of the SCOTUS being repopulated over the course of the next six to ten years, would be a good thing for the nation, the constitution, conservatism, and the people of the U.S.

Coincidentally, the Democrats believe the exact same thing.

Then, they call me a Republican In Name Only because I support the Republican President, and the platform of the Republican Party.

What's worse, is that after they openly state their support for the Democratic candidate, and attack me for supporting the Republican incumbent, which is are the exact same things that happen to me when I debate anyone over at Democratic Underground, they have the nerve to say that there is no difference between me and a Democrat.

[MJY1288]

ROFLMAO, perfect

[nopardons]

There are none so blind as those who will not see. These CINOS need to find someplace else to post. They don't understand politics at all, they don't know what RINO, or CONSERVATIVE, or most of the terms the employ mean, and they do NOT give a damn about this nation. They live in a mentally disordered word of hallucinatory daydreams, where reality NEVER intrudes.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Ironic that they believe they are so pure in their conservatism, yet it's nearly impossible to distinguish their rhetoric from that of Democrats.

[BigSkyFreeper]

It certainly is a dilemma for conservatives.

It certainly is a dilemma for YOU if you want to play with fire by voting for Tancredo, and end up with Democrats in the White House, in Congress, and Bill Clinton on the USSC bench.

Well, I am not going to be a part of your little "dilemma".

The insane spending spree must stop.

The last time I looked, the lionshare of the spending went toward rebuilding the military. Are you saying the gutting of the military and defense budget under Clinton was justified?

[MJY1288]

Luis, I'm called a bushbot or a member of the "neener neener" crowd like "Tpaine in the arse" called me tonight. But I do my complaining to who it counts, CONGRESS!

These self proclaimed victims around here, (who call themselves "true" conservatives) that claim Bush has betrayed them, is a joke in itself. I paid attention to George W. Bush's campaign from the time he announced his candidacy and I knew he was a moderate with big spending plans, he planned on expanding the Military and has done so, he planned on Medicare reform with a big price tag and has done so, he said he would stand up to the U.N. and has done so, he said he would get us out of the ABM treaty and has done so, he said he would nominate conservative judges and has done so, he said he would push and sign his expensive Education Bill and has done so.

IMHO this is the first President that has fulfilled 98% of his promises. An Energy Policy is one thing he didn't get done yet, and he made a mistake by signing CFR with the hopes the SCOTUS would strike down the things he disagreed with during his campaign, but that problem can be taken care of in Congress. Not to mention that all of the candidates have figured a way around the law already.

To be perfectly honest, President Bush has done a lot more to steer this country to the right than I thought he would, sure he hasn't made much of an effort to reign in the spending Congress does, but I never thought he would get the Partial Birth Abortion Ban to his desk, I never thought he would be able to sell the Missile Defense program started, I never thought we would get 3 tax cuts, and his handling of 9/11 has shown me that he knows how to lead the world, not just America.

Mark my words, despite what the spoiled brats say, when history is written, this one is going to be remembered as one of the strongest ever, and when he steps aboard Marine One for the last time in January 2009, the world will be a better place because of him.

[Zipporah]

You say "It is by the people and for the people....you just don't like the outcome".. perfectly wrong...

In the poll, conducted by RoperASW on behalf of Negative Population Growth published in 4/03:

More than three in four Americans want to see overall immigration levels reduced from the current one million per year;

Two-thirds supporting fewer than 300,000 immigrants per year;

"In addition to deportation, 83 percent of respondents also favored "mandatory detention and forfeiture of property" for people who are found to be living here illegally. Seventy percent said they would also support mandatory prison sentences for immigration law violations, in addition to property forfeiture and deportation."

[nopardons]

BRAVO , well said, indeed!

[gatorbait]

Ironic that they believe they are so pure in their conservatism, yet it's nearly impossible to distinguish their rhetoric from that of Democrats.

But them's principles, dontcha know! (with apologies to Lewis Carrol)

[Luis Gonzalez]

Check this out.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Amen!

[Tamzee]

I don't agree with everything Bush has done, either, but I've measured his actions in light of the liberalism of our general public and the horrifying danger facing our country if Democrats get back into control... in light of those problems, taking a few spending programs I wouldn't pass myself are minor issues.

Is he fulfilling his father’s unfulfilled mission of pushing America into a U.N.-dominated New World Order or does he have our country’s best interests at heart? I wish I had a clue.

Are you seriously being honest with that statement? How could there be any question? Bush has done more to squirm us out from under the thumb of International authority than any President since Reagan and he has firmly given the finger to old Europe, the Security Council and the U.N. in general. Kofi Annan appears to despise Bush and it's crystal clear Bush is no fan of the U.N. himself.

[Texasforever]

Ironic that they believe they are so pure in their conservatism, yet it's nearly impossible to distinguish their rhetoric from that of Democrats.

The simple fact is that liberals and the far-right have the following in common:

They have embraced the victim mentality

They each have a need to punish one group at the expense of another

They view life as a zero-sum game

they can never admit to happiness in any realm of their lives lest they lose their victim security blanket.

And finally the last thing in the world they want are actual solutions to problems.

[honeygrl]

"And by the way it is nice to have gridlock as long as you have the "big gun"-- ie< POTUS to win at the end with a veto in case you lose the fight."

Too bad Bush doesn't seem to know exactly how to veto anything.

[nopardons]

The tinfoilers, who worry so about the NWO, the Illuminati, the Buildyourownburgers, the Tri-lats, the Masons, and the joooooooooooos,should go get some antidepressants, Lithium, and/or A nice soothing cup of chamomile tea. :-)

[tpaine]

Luis; -- There are none so blind as those who will not see. These CINOS need to find someplace else to post. They don't understand politics at all, they don't know what RINO, or CONSERVATIVE, or most of the terms the employ mean, and they do NOT give a damn about this nation. They live in a mentally disordered word of hallucinatory daydreams, where reality NEVER intrudes.


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226 posted on 2/7/02 4:01 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson

[gatorbait]

check out post 336 for verification.

[TomasUSMC]

Some people call us the 20% of the temper tantrum throwing arrested development fringes on both ends of the political spectrum. Some say that if you ask for everything you get nothing.

1776 The American Spirit asked for everything. We did not ask for some liberty and some freedom. We did not end up like Canada. We TOOK our Independence. All of it. Everything. We risked everything.

It was that 20 percent that threw one heck of a Tantrum. And against the most powerful navy and army in the world. AND without having a navy or army. Yet we won. Because we would not be held back and be swayed by the weak.
In 1776 we did not settle for second best and we should not now.
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