To: exmarine
Then could you reconcile the clause in the Constitution that MANDATES that the federal govt protect us from foreign invasions and Bush's lack of border enforcement? Please try... No president has enforced the borders against illegals in the last 20 years. That's not exactly "an invasion." Anyway, these people are working here, aren't they? They're keeping your vegetable prices low.
I see Bush's plan as a way to initiate a discussion on this subject. It will likely not be what he wants, nor will it be the full amnesty that Democrats want.
Something's got to be done, and he's making an attempt, short of deporting 10 million people, which the American people WILL NOT STAND FOR.
173 posted on
01/13/2004 8:26:03 AM PST by
sinkspur
(Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
To: sinkspur
No president has enforced the borders against illegals in the last 20 years. That's not exactly "an invasion." Anyway, these people are working here, aren't they? They're keeping your vegetable prices low. I thought you were being sarcastic, but you're not. Enjoy your low vegetable prices as our culture dies.
184 posted on
01/13/2004 8:33:32 AM PST by
arm958
To: sinkspur
No president has enforced the borders against illegals in the last 20 years. That's not exactly "an invasion." Anyway, these people are working here, aren't they? They're keeping your vegetable prices low. You are right to a degree. However, no one expects a democrat to do the right thing. Bush touts himself as a man of integrity, a Christian, a conservative. But his actions say otherwise. Ike deported 1 million illegals in "Operation Wetback." These people are BREAKING THE LAW. The U.S. govt. enforces the laws it wants and ignores the rest. We are a nation of laws, not men. Selective enforcement of laws is a form of TYRANNY.
Something's got to be done, and he's making an attempt, short of deporting 10 million people, which the American people WILL NOT STAND FOR.
I firmly believe that the best way to ensure his re-election is to ENFORCE our sovereignty at the border! I guarantee you that MOST Americans want border enforcement.
189 posted on
01/13/2004 8:37:10 AM PST by
exmarine
( sic semper tyrannis)
To: sinkspur
"No president has enforced the borders against illegals in the last 20 years."
Correct
That's not exactly "an invasion."
Incorrect
Anyway, these people are working here, aren't they?
Incorrect. Let me dispell a myth for you real quick with facts. 35% of LEGAL immigrants are on welfare or some form of government subsidy. The cliche that oooo these people are working oooo they are working. Some yes some not but of those that come in 1)pay NO federal income taxes as they make below 24,000/yr. 2)Are uneducated and underskille. 3)Carry no medical insurance. 3)Require federal assistance via bilingual education etc etc. I could go on and on about this and show you the LEGAL immigrants cost this country more then they put in. But what is the use.
"They're keeping your vegetable prices low. "
Ends justify the means argument.
"I see Bush's plan as a way to initiate a discussion on this subject."
Yes and No. I see it as more of another Programme used to get more votes.
"It will likely not be what he wants, nor will it be the full amnesty that Democrats want. "
He should never have proposed such an outlandish plan. It should have been fine tuned.
Something's got to be done, and he's making an attempt, short of deporting 10 million people, which the American people WILL NOT STAND FOR."
Really? Can you speak for "The American people?"
Polls proove you false.
214 posted on
01/13/2004 8:58:15 AM PST by
AbsoluteJustice
(By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
To: sinkspur
Something's got to be done, and he's making an attempt, short of deporting 10 million people, which the American people WILL NOT STAND FOR.
The President isn't even deporting Illegals with standing deportation orders that haven't appeared as ordered. Doesn't seem hard to figure out that all Illegals are flight risks, particularly those who've lost their cases. Yet Illegals facing deportation orders aren't taken into custody pending deportation. There are upwards of 400,000 individuals who have received final deportation orders that are hiding in our communities. Their appeals have run out, and those orders tell them, its time to go. But, the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement cant find them! Whats worse, 80,000 of those people have criminal convictions, just like Miguel Angelo Gordoba! They were in the hands of our law enforcement. Can you imagine opening the doors of our prisons and letting 80,000 criminals run back into the streets? Well folks, thats exactly what has happened with these 80,000 criminal aliens. Whats more, 3,800 of those people with final deportation orders are from countries with a known Al-Qaeda presence. Statement of the Honorable Charlie Norwood The CLEAR Act of 2003 July 9, 2003
Compare these figures to those of two years ago... The Justice Department's decision to track down and deport 6,000 Middle Eastern aliens who've been ordered to leave the country attracted howls of protest from all the usual places earlier this week. The government has a list of more than 300,000 deportable immigrants. Deportation Disorder National Review Online John J. Miller & Ramesh Ponnuru | January 10th, 2002
These deportable Illegals from two years ago, in the aftermath of September 11th, are mostly still here, including tens of thousands of hardened, violent criminals, and thousands of Illegals from Al Qaeda nations. If the terror attacks were insufficient to compel President Bush to carry out even the minimum enforcement of the standing deportation orders, then he sure as heck ain't gonna deport any legalized-Illegals down the road. How do you imagine the American people would feel about that, if they knew?
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217 posted on
01/13/2004 8:59:35 AM PST by
Sabertooth
(Eighteen solutions better than any Amnesty - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1053318/posts)
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