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Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan
WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper

Conservative talk-radio star, author says amnesty is betrayal of country

In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage, one of talk radio's biggest stars, tonight called for the impeachment of President Bush over his plans to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

"This is the worst betrayal of our country in my lifetime," said Savage, whose program is heard on more than 350 stations with an audience reaching some 6 million. His book, "The Savage Nation," last year was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller's list for five weeks. His follow-up, "The Enemy Within," out just one week, is already No. 8 on the list. Both were published by WND Books.

President Bush

Tonight Savage called Bush a liberal and described him as part of the "enemy within" that is destroying the nation.

Savage created the phrase "compassionate conservative" in 1994, a term picked up by Bush during his presidential campaign – a campaign supported by Savage.

"This is much more serious than dropping your pants for an intern," said Savage. "This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

Savage is hardly alone in his strong feelings of opposition to Bush's proposal to offer legal status to illegal immigrants. A new ABC News poll finds 52 percent of the nation opposes an amnesty program for illegal immigrants from Mexico, while 57 percent oppose one for illegal immigrants from other countries. Both results are roughly the same as when the administration floated the idea two-and-a-half years ago.

But today in Monterrey, Mexico, Bush reaffirmed his support of the proposal, despite its unpopularity at home. He said it could help illegal immigrants "leave the shadows and have an identity."

At a joint press conference with Mexican President Vicente Fox, Bush warned that his government will not allow the existence in the United States of an underclass of illegal immigrants, but claimed again his proposal is not an amnesty. Amnesty, he said, would only promote the violation of the law and perpetuate illegal immigration.

Bush said his immigration proposal would benefit both the United States and Mexico as it recognizes the contribution of thousands of honest Mexicans who work in the United States.

For his part, Fox embraced Bush's proposal.

"What else can we wish?" Fox said at the news conference with the president.

In the U.S., the latest poll on the controversy shows at least twice as many Americans "strongly" oppose the proposal as strongly support it.

Opposition peaks in Bush's own party: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans oppose his immigration proposal for Mexicans, compared with 50 percent of Democrats. For illegal immigrants other than Mexicans, 63 percent of Republicans are opposed.

Bush reportedly will disclose more details of the plan in his State of the Union address Jan. 20.

Meanwhile, the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States," the Washington Times reported today.

The agents were told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn't serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.

"Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb' to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don't be confused and call this an 'amnesty,' even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here. The president assures us that it's not an amnesty," he said.

Last week Bush proposed the sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card. The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.

Savage cited a new report published in the City Journal by the Manhattan Institute suggesting there is a major crime wave in the U.S. caused by illegal immigration.

"Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens," the report charges. "Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gang-banger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law."

The situation is similar, the report says in New York, Chicago, San Diego, Austin and Houston. These "sanctuary policies" generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities, says the report.

"These people are destroying America," said Savage. "That's all I have to say on the subject. But you can talk about it. Talk about it while you can – while America is still a free country, because it's not going to last."


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To: swarthyguy
"Some wag said that it was an attempt to find the WMD!"

But finding WMD on a planet the size of California Mars is almost impossible!

801 posted on 01/13/2004 4:29:06 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: FITZ
Treat illegal employment like they treat tax evasion or OSHA violations. Make it unprofitable so that honest businessmen who follow the law might have a chance to stay in business. As it is now the corrupt who recruit in Mexico have a distinct advantage --- they can pay dirt wages, have taxpayers subsidize their labor costs so they can make a high profit AND put the honest guy out of business

So we would have to have a "Labor police", how many agents would that entail.

Oh BTW, I guess you are against Bush relaxing OSHA regulations, since you seem to be fond of that agency.

802 posted on 01/13/2004 4:29:06 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
So we would have to have a "Labor police", how many agents would that entail.

Use the same ones IRS uses then. I didn't see Bush say he was proposing to undo restrictive OSHA regulations --- maybe I missed that. Or to be consistent --- he could say that for all laws, it's too hard to get all the lawbreakers so we will no longer enforce any laws. It's funny one guy can make a mistake on an IRS form --- and they find ways of coming after him big --- but recruit and hire nothing but illegals, fail to send in taxes or pay them minimum wage and overtime --- and you're okay. A little inconsistent.

803 posted on 01/13/2004 4:32:42 PM PST by FITZ
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To: arm958; MEGoody
Yet this post on Savage has 798 responses, and counting

About half this thread got a sub-thread into Constitutional and other issues, not even mentioning Savage.

From my reading about half think he is a nutball, the other half think he's great. Not good for a so-called conservative talk show host.

BTW, I never mentioned that I think that Savage is loud mouthed rude populist that would make Huey Long blush.

804 posted on 01/13/2004 4:32:56 PM PST by Dane
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To: m1-lightning
Actually, it only says that it be placed in the Library of Congress:

"The Congress hereby finds and declares -3) that the Congress of the United States in recognition of the
importance of printing and its impact on America purchased the Gutenberg Bible in 1930 for the Nation for placement
in the Library of Congress..."

805 posted on 01/13/2004 4:33:11 PM PST by jaugust ("The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising after you fall". Vince Lombardi)
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To: Howlin
I keep asking who "their" candidate is. Nobody will tell me. I guess it's a big secret.

It doesnt make a difference, if they get it their way, it will be Clark, Clinton, or Dean.. That'll show Bush!

806 posted on 01/13/2004 4:33:34 PM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: Dane
Look at it this way --- Savage was just making a proposal.
807 posted on 01/13/2004 4:33:52 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
It's funny one guy can make a mistake on an IRS form --- and they find ways of coming after him big --- but recruit and hire nothing but illegals, fail to send in taxes or pay them minimum wage and overtime --- and you're okay. A little inconsistent

Uh the IRS audits maybe 1% of tax returns, you want to audit millions of businesses.

808 posted on 01/13/2004 4:35:12 PM PST by Dane
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To: FITZ
Look at it this way --- Savage was just making a proposal.

I didn't call for his impeachment did I?

809 posted on 01/13/2004 4:36:29 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
And this would be my guest worker proposal. If a company actually cannot find laborers --- such as farm hands --- after honest recruitment efforts were made --- such as recruiting in low income neighborhoods and inner cities --- so that Americans really had a chance to prove they didn't want the job (which is not the case now), then guest workers could be bused or flown in from Mexico, be put up in temporary migrant housing provided by the employer, when the season is up or the project is complete, then they are bused or flown back home. The families stay in Mexico where educating the kids and providing health care is far more affordable and the responsibility of the Mexican government. The worker goes home with their paycheck and has an opportunity to invest in and build up his own country.
810 posted on 01/13/2004 4:39:14 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Oh BTW, Fitz, I am all for an overhaul of the tax system and the IRS.

I would rather see a flat tax or national sales tax(with an abolition of the income tax as a prerequisite).

It seems you want to give the IRS more powers.

BTW, I know that the flat or sales tax is not going to be here tomorrow, but it will an incremental struggle.

811 posted on 01/13/2004 4:39:22 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
From my reading about half think he is a nutball, the other half think he's great. Not good for a so-called conservative talk show host.

That's about what I would expect. I listen to Savage because he is entertaining and thought provoking. Sometimes he is spot-on and other times he is downright bombastic. So what? I like a lot of what he is saying, but I wouldn't vote him into any public office. However, he's got more guts than most and I admire that.

812 posted on 01/13/2004 4:40:39 PM PST by arm958
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To: Dane
It seems you want to give the IRS more powers.

Maybe redirect their powers. Change the IRS from an agency that goes after Americans and taxes and send them after employers breaking laws regarding illegal employment. We can't find every tax evader --- so let's just give it up, they haven't tried to get the illegal employers ---- so lets try that for a change. Maybe get back some money in fines to help defray the costs of education and free health care all these years.

813 posted on 01/13/2004 4:43:03 PM PST by FITZ
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To: arm958
However, he's got more guts than most and I admire that

I guess we will have to have a disagreement, what you call guts, I call petty and insecure, especially when I listened to him a couple of times and he hung up on callers out of the blue.

814 posted on 01/13/2004 4:45:53 PM PST by Dane
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To: exmarine
This is your quote from post 632:

"The full text of the Declaration is right there in the U.S. Code. It's in the US Code."

You lied, the full text of the Declaration is not in the U.S. Code.
815 posted on 01/13/2004 4:46:08 PM PST by Marine Inspector (TANCREDO 2004)
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To: exmarine
Before you call people liars, you should get your facts in order.

Here are the facts. This is your quote from post 632:

"The full text of the Declaration is right there in the U.S. Code. It's in the US Code."

You lied, the full text of the Declaration is not in the U.S. Code.

816 posted on 01/13/2004 4:48:06 PM PST by Marine Inspector (TANCREDO 2004)
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To: FITZ
Maybe redirect their powers.

How about restricting their powers, which I think a flat or national sales tax would do.

As for Mexico, that place is a mess and we are going to have to deal with them since we share a 2,000 mile border. And JMO, but I do not think bombast works.

817 posted on 01/13/2004 4:49:11 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
We share an even bigger border with Canada and we don't have anything close to the same problems.

Mexico has to reform itself --- that means changing their laws and culture, their form of government. They show no sign of wanting to do that --- and we cannot help them until they are willing to help themselves. We're accepting everything on Fox's terms, he's given nothing in return.
818 posted on 01/13/2004 4:51:23 PM PST by FITZ
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To: JustPiper
Tancredo will be my write-in candidate if nothing else.

Mine too.

819 posted on 01/13/2004 4:58:30 PM PST by superloser (Tancredo 2004)
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To: PRND21
LOL, in your dreams.
820 posted on 01/13/2004 4:59:46 PM PST by Marine Inspector (TANCREDO 2004)
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