Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan

WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

[m1-lightning]

Well after you "side with the leftist demonrats" maybe they can show you how to get some free governement money. While you're in the unemployment line, I'll be starting my next job. You sound miserable. Has some company screwed you over lately?

[exmarine]

I live in So. California. I see the mexcican flags and the attitudes of the immigrants. When Mexico played the USA soccer team in LA a while back, the fans BOOED the USA team!They are not loyal to America -they are mexicans! Meanwhile, Mexico shits its border with Guatemala - the ultimate hypocrisy! Let's tell the truth eh?

[exmarine]

I meant to type "shuts its border with Guatemala" - bad typo.

[exmarine]

facts are facts. Does truth = bigotry? You sound like a PC liberal democrat.

[m1-lightning]

I've met hundreds of immigrant Mexicans. I've only met one that flew his American flag outside of his house. I'm telling you that you are making a comment which you only have local experience to fuel your opinion with. Many Mexican immigrants are reluctant to even talk to people because they think we have this mindset that we hate them. Once you get to know some them, you'll find that many(not all or most) of them are really nice people, some of them even patriotic. I know two who joined the army who would die for American freedom.

[m1-lightning]

facts are facts. Does truth = bigotry? You sound like a PC liberal democrat.

Please show me these facts that all illegal immigrants "remain LOYAL TO MEXICO, fly mexican flags, and vote for liberal democrats." I could lower my self to your level and call you a blind uneducated racist nationalist but then THAT would be liberal PC.

[exmarine]

Please show me these facts that all illegal immigrants "remain LOYAL TO MEXICO, fly mexican flags, and vote for liberal democrats." I could lower my self to your level and call you a blind uneducated racist nationalist but then THAT would be liberal PC.

Read my post again genius. I said: "Many of today's illegal immigrants aren't interested in citizenship, just leeching off of our society. They have no respect for our laws, no respect for our heritage (they have contempt for it!), no respect for our heroes. They fly mexican flags at soccer games in LA. I believe you need to rethink."

Do you see the word "many" in there? huh? Do you see what you want to see or do you actually read words?

[exmarine]

Please show me these facts that all illegal immigrants "remain LOYAL TO MEXICO,

I've seen it firsthand. I live amongst a sea of illegal immigrants.

[philosofy123]

When you work in the computer engineering business, and your REPUBLICAN boss does not ship away his job away, but ship your job to India, you would be singing a different tune. Then you tell me if it makes any different if this boss is a Republican or Democrat. Also tell me how you are going to find a job in your field if all the other a$$ hole bosses are not hiring because the Indians accept less wages, then you go and flip hamburger for living!!!! That is a good Republican soldier - Never let them see you cry. These hypocrites rule over us by dividing us to Republican, Democrats, Catholics, Fundamentalists, men, women, Christians, Jews, black, white, .....The net result is like in the Toby Maguire movie, SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!! American workers and American jobs must be the utmost concerns of the American politicians. The reality is NOT!!!!

By the way, I have a secure job - I don't have to worry about my job getting shipped to India. However, I just happened to have a conscious, and worry about others. That is not a Republican treats - perhaps. But trust me; I am a life long right wing "enlightened" Republican.

[m1-lightning]

That wasn't the quote I refered to. Please re-read MY post. Your quote:

"The people come here with their mexican loyalties and mindset, and after they get here, they remain LOYAL TO MEXICO, fly mexican flags, and vote for liberal democrats. "

I'm not starting a flame war here. Obviously of that's not what you meant then you simply misworded your statement.

[exmarine]

I'll tell you something else. the USA is a sovereign nation with a right to decide who is admitted and who isn't. That is the LAW. At Ellis Island, many Euro immigrants were sent back! The ones that stayed ASSIMILATED. Many of the hispanics who come here illegally today DO NOT ASSIMILATE. They don't even bother to learn english, and they don't care about our laws - they broke them to get here! Mexico doesn't allow illegals into their country (they closed their border with Guatemala) yet they DEMAND we allow mexicans in here with NO RESTRICTIONS! HYPOCRISY at its height. For the most part the people who are sneaking in here do not care about American heritage, and many of them are taught to believe that the American Southwest belongs to Mexico. Heard of MECHA?

[m1-lightning]

When you work in the computer engineering business, and your REPUBLICAN boss does not ship away his job away, but ship your job to India, you would be singing a different tune.

I worked for a DEMOCRAT boss once. I lost that job to the union. I worked for another DEMOCRAT boss and lost my job because the company went bankrupt. My current REPUBLICAN boss knows how to crunch a budget and I've been there for years.

It's all irrelevent. The CEO sets a profit goal for everyone under him to accomplish. If it takes laying off a couple of people or replacing them with someone who will work on a contract with no benefits, then that's what needs to be done. Whether your boss is Republican or Democrat is irrelevent. What IS relevant is how to accomplish superiority over you competitors as a CEO, and how to best benefit your company so that you DON'T get replaced. I have to say, computer engineering isn't a very good field of work to get into.

These hypocrites rule over us by dividing us to Republican, Democrats, Catholics, Fundamentalists, men, women, Christians, Jews, black, white,

Only caertain ones.
Shut and Sing! American workers and American jobs must be the utmost concerns of the American politicians. The reality is NOT!!!!

It takes an employer to have an empolyee...

I just happened to have a conscious, and worry about others.

You shouldn't.

[m1-lightning]

I'll agree with that. I have varying views on immigration, specifically because no immigration law has ever worked 100%. I've even thought of making welfare recipients do those jobs that "no American want to do". I'm sure that wouldn't fly with the ACLU, though.

[lentulusgracchus]

These jobs are taken with free will. However, I could see it getting out of hand if ALL jobs were competitive with foriegn nationals who were willing to make less than the average American.

Ummmm, yeah. But as for "free will", well, employers always say that when they've achieved total victory over their employees, who are signing on as Hobson's choice: do as I say, or starve. Blacks who sharecropped in the South in the 19th century were exercising "free will": do you want to defend sharecropping as a fair and equitable arrangement? It ended up being slavery without the owner's responsibility for the health and well-being of his charges. That's washed clean by "free will"?

It's a square deal if both sides can say "no" and walk away.

I'm not willing to buy lettuce at $3 a head.

As has been pointed out upthread, that is not what's at stake here. I'd accept a consequentialist argument if it were true. The fact is, you could double agricultural wages without producing anything like the price inflation to the consumer that your statement presupposes.

What is on the table here is a) employer pays living wage and does less well himself, or b) employer uses weaseling bargaining tactics with an uneducated workforce without leaders or representation to screw wages down as low as they'll go, and employees and their family live in serfdom while employer's kids break wind through silk and go off to Harvard.

Representation and syndical negotiations can't and won't secure each employee a four-hour workday and a corner office and expense account, with a salary starting at $75K. It just isn't there. But that isn't the point. The point is to arrive at an equitable division of what is there, so that the agricultural workers' kids can go to school and better themselves.

Syndicalism also serves the useful social purpose of spurring innovation to "grow the pie". The workers' efforts become more productive, and everyone benefits.

[philosofy123]

I just happened to have a conscious, and worry about others.

You shouldn't.

Therefore, the good definition of a Republican, according to you is to have no conscious and not to worry about others. That sound very Christian of you....If you don't mind, I rather not consider my self a Republican if that is the definition.

[m1-lightning]

But as for "free will", well, employers always say that when they've achieved total victory over their employees, who are signing on as Hobson's choice: do as I say, or starve.

If you want to be a bleeding heart, send them your paycheck. Just don't demand that risk-taking entrepreneurs lower their wage class for the sake of benefiting grasshoppers. A business owner is a job description too. The federal government will even give you a grant for certain areas of business. Agricultural work is still not slavery.

What is on the table here is a) employer pays living wage and does less well himself, or b) employer uses weaseling bargaining tactics with an uneducated workforce without leaders or representation to screw wages down as low as they'll go, and employees and their family live in serfdom while employer's kids break wind through silk and go off to Harvard

Capitalism 101. Isn't it nice knowing you have the right to be rich if you want to? I'm surprised I got that. I feel dumb today.

Representation and syndical negotiations can't and won't secure each employee a four-hour workday and a corner office and expense account, with a salary starting at $75K.

The only thing that will secure that is for the employee to make himself valued at that.

[m1-lightning]

You have to be Christian to be a Republican? Who knew?

[philosofy123]

Moslems are not allowed in because they want to kill the Christians. Jews don't mind abortion and typically vote Demon-rats (that is a fact). I guess Hindu or Buddhists are allowed. Get it in your liberal head, this country is 90% Christian, whether you like it or not!

[m1-lightning]

Moslems are not allowed in because they want to kill the Christians. Jews don't mind abortion and typically vote Demon-rats (that is a fact). I guess Hindu or Buddhists are allowed.

So if I want to join the Republican party, I have to confess my faith to Christ or Buddah?

this country is 90% Christian, whether you like it or not!

Yeah, Sunday morning Christians. Most are atheists Monday through Saturday.

[philosofy123]

And, you don't have to be a Christian to have conscious. Even Godless people have conscious. I gess the only exception would be the Moslems, in general since they don't care about killing innocent people, and the Republicans according to your definition of Republicans.