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Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan
WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper

Conservative talk-radio star, author says amnesty is betrayal of country

In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage, one of talk radio's biggest stars, tonight called for the impeachment of President Bush over his plans to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

"This is the worst betrayal of our country in my lifetime," said Savage, whose program is heard on more than 350 stations with an audience reaching some 6 million. His book, "The Savage Nation," last year was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller's list for five weeks. His follow-up, "The Enemy Within," out just one week, is already No. 8 on the list. Both were published by WND Books.

President Bush

Tonight Savage called Bush a liberal and described him as part of the "enemy within" that is destroying the nation.

Savage created the phrase "compassionate conservative" in 1994, a term picked up by Bush during his presidential campaign – a campaign supported by Savage.

"This is much more serious than dropping your pants for an intern," said Savage. "This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

Savage is hardly alone in his strong feelings of opposition to Bush's proposal to offer legal status to illegal immigrants. A new ABC News poll finds 52 percent of the nation opposes an amnesty program for illegal immigrants from Mexico, while 57 percent oppose one for illegal immigrants from other countries. Both results are roughly the same as when the administration floated the idea two-and-a-half years ago.

But today in Monterrey, Mexico, Bush reaffirmed his support of the proposal, despite its unpopularity at home. He said it could help illegal immigrants "leave the shadows and have an identity."

At a joint press conference with Mexican President Vicente Fox, Bush warned that his government will not allow the existence in the United States of an underclass of illegal immigrants, but claimed again his proposal is not an amnesty. Amnesty, he said, would only promote the violation of the law and perpetuate illegal immigration.

Bush said his immigration proposal would benefit both the United States and Mexico as it recognizes the contribution of thousands of honest Mexicans who work in the United States.

For his part, Fox embraced Bush's proposal.

"What else can we wish?" Fox said at the news conference with the president.

In the U.S., the latest poll on the controversy shows at least twice as many Americans "strongly" oppose the proposal as strongly support it.

Opposition peaks in Bush's own party: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans oppose his immigration proposal for Mexicans, compared with 50 percent of Democrats. For illegal immigrants other than Mexicans, 63 percent of Republicans are opposed.

Bush reportedly will disclose more details of the plan in his State of the Union address Jan. 20.

Meanwhile, the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States," the Washington Times reported today.

The agents were told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn't serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.

"Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb' to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don't be confused and call this an 'amnesty,' even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here. The president assures us that it's not an amnesty," he said.

Last week Bush proposed the sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card. The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.

Savage cited a new report published in the City Journal by the Manhattan Institute suggesting there is a major crime wave in the U.S. caused by illegal immigration.

"Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens," the report charges. "Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gang-banger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law."

The situation is similar, the report says in New York, Chicago, San Diego, Austin and Houston. These "sanctuary policies" generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities, says the report.

"These people are destroying America," said Savage. "That's all I have to say on the subject. But you can talk about it. Talk about it while you can – while America is still a free country, because it's not going to last."


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To: sinkspur
More wishful thinking, dude. This immigration plan will likely not see the light of day this session of Congress.

The damage is done. People now know where Bush stands. He has already lost millions of votes over this. Savage, of all people, calls for his impeachment. Do you think Bush can withstand such attacks from his own base? Think again.

Bush has violated his oath to the U.S. Consitution. What say you about that? Huh? does it mean anything to you at all? Or are you like Bush and other Republicans who consider the Constitution (Law of the Land) a mere relic? Do tell.

101 posted on 01/13/2004 7:42:57 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Tamsey
Right you are. Professor Wiener proves his moronity on a regular basis on his talk show. What a dweeb. Thankfully most of his audience parts company with him after this latest screed. He is fortunate indeed that his peddler father was allowed to emigrate when he did.
102 posted on 01/13/2004 7:43:01 AM PST by buffman
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To: MEGoody
Thanks for your answer. It is not always the case on this forum where questions or propositions are directly answered and I appreciate your thoughts.

Savage was a dismal failure on TV. TV requires a different level of energy than radio. It is hard to over-amp on radio but too easy on TV. His ratings were good however until he crossed the line with a call screener.

Savage is not a failure on radio however and if you can get the signal give him a try over several days if you can stand the initial insult as it took me to be a fan of his. At times he will spend a better part of an hour telling stories of his travels or childhood and those who mentored him. I turned him on one day when I was traveling with my wife and two teen aged daughters and he was in one of those rare moments where he was warm and thoughtful and they now ask if they can listen when he is on. The last time he was talking about the "whores" in office and my wife asked me to turn him off so I guess it works both ways. They all have read the last book he wrote and found it quite interesting and informative, Savage did footnote and reference his latest book for facts. Savage to me is like the salty uncle one only visits at times for fishing or hunting or you name it where one is free to talk without the shackles of the opposite sex in the room and where the PC police aren't present or allowed.
103 posted on 01/13/2004 7:43:30 AM PST by Final Authority
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To: JustPiper
In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage,

HA! Is this a joke? Is there a website loonier than WorldNetDaily? What a bunch of losers.

104 posted on 01/13/2004 7:45:26 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (Most of the FReepers opposed to illegal immigration are opposed to immigration/immigrants entirely.)
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To: B4Ranch
I'm with you
105 posted on 01/13/2004 7:45:53 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Good night Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: JustPiper
I share Savage's outrage.

BUT I don't believe impeachment is appropriate in this situation.

Bush and Congress should be deluged with letters and petitions. I will be posting mine at petitiononline this week. There is a petition up there already, but I think mine is worded better, shorter, and more specific. Sign the other one now too, and sign mine later.

Unless the American people rise up in outrage over this proposal we only have ourselves to blame for the politicians complacent and smug attitude on this subject. Write Bush, write your representatives. E-Mailing and phone calls are not as effective as writing a letter - its a more "in your face statement." But backing it up with e-mails and phone calls is good.

Another thing you can do to express your outrage at Bush is to vote in the Republican primary and write in Tom Tancredi for President. That will send a clear message to the apparatchniks in the White House of the specific nature of our anger here. (Tancredi of course has no chance of getting nominated and isn't interested in the position anyway - its the MESSAGE we want to convey.)

If, despite all this, Bush goes through with his program for illegal invaders and those who profit from them, we are faced with a dilemma in November of 2004.

We can stay home and watch one of the nine dwarfs get elected.

We can help Bush reelected

We can vote for a conservative third party candidate who has no chance of getting elected (in effect handing the Nation over to one of the nine dwarfs for the next four years who probably support this effort anyway.)

Those are my thoughts - for what they are worth.

106 posted on 01/13/2004 7:46:17 AM PST by ZULU (Remember the Alamo!!!!!)
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To: exmarine
He has already lost millions of votes over this.

I disagree with this. I don't think he's lost any more than a few foam-at-the-mouthers who likely, like you, would have found another reason to vote against him.

Savage, of all people, calls for his impeachment

Michael Savage is a mental case. If you take your cues from him, so are you.

Besides, presidents don't get impeached for making proposals.

107 posted on 01/13/2004 7:46:26 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: The Mayor
I live in Elma, but I am working in Niagara Falls right now- drive right past you every day I suspect.

I need new windows this spring- was gonna try to do it myself- maybe I'll contract with you to give me a hand (need at least 2 people anyway)
108 posted on 01/13/2004 7:47:01 AM PST by Mr. K
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Sit back and listen to the "bush at any cost" crowd come out now.

Impeachment for betrayal is valid IMHO. He's aiding and abetting Criminals by wanting to make their presence in this country legal.

That falls under High Crimes and Misdameanors.
109 posted on 01/13/2004 7:47:26 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Good night Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
I love Savage. He is right on the money.

Some folks just can't handle the truth.

110 posted on 01/13/2004 7:49:05 AM PST by riri
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To: sinkspur
Michael Savage is a mental case.

That's putting it way too nicely.

111 posted on 01/13/2004 7:50:10 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (Most of the FReepers opposed to illegal immigration are opposed to immigration/immigrants entirely.)
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To: jim35
I'm picturing these massive sweeps through our streets to root out the illegals

Not necessarily. Thousands of illegal Pakistanis fled the country after the FBI began interrogating Arabs after 9/11. A family member lives in a Brooklyn neighborhood where half the Pakistani population literally disappeared overnight. Of course, the Wall Street Journal, which favors open borders, attributed this phenomenom to persecution, which is laughable, considering the neighborhood is heavy on liberal soccer moms whose first thought after 9/11 was to create outreach programs for Muslims.

A small, well-publicized and, above all, serious effort to start rooting out and actually deporting illegals, combined with hefty fines for employers, would go a long way in sending the message we are serious -- something neither political party has had the backbone to do in decades, considering how the media would characterize it as a witch hunt. The irony is that the administration has stood up to the widespread media criticism of the patriot act, but it is not willing to spend any political capital on enforcing immigration laws in general. In fact, contrary to the prevailing hysteria about deportation of Arabs, only a small percentage of those deserving of deportation have actually been sent packing.

112 posted on 01/13/2004 7:50:54 AM PST by browardchad
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To: JustPiper
Yeah! GO SAVAGE!
113 posted on 01/13/2004 7:51:01 AM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: TheGunny
I'm down with interlocking fields of fire. No need for troops, though, if we can get some kind of nationally recognized "civil service" responsibilities on the border. A three day to one week tour on the border each years by anyone willing to make the commitment.
114 posted on 01/13/2004 7:51:08 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: riri
Some folks just can't handle the truth.

Is there a more tired cliche than this?

115 posted on 01/13/2004 7:51:10 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (Most of the FReepers opposed to illegal immigration are opposed to immigration/immigrants entirely.)
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To: Fishrrman
Why does Vicente Fox care about the situation of illegals in the United States, I could care less about Americans who choose to leave this country.
116 posted on 01/13/2004 7:51:31 AM PST by Fast 1975
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To: sinkspur
Michael Savage is a mental case. If you take your cues from him, so are you.

I have read about many who have abandoned Bush over this. Don't kid yourself. This is big. 58% of Republcians are against it! only 50% of dems.

Savage is only the beginning. Just wait till Christian leaders start sounding the alarm! That is Bush's hard core. Without Christians, kiss Bush good-bye. I am doing everything I can as a Christian to expose Bush for the liberal that he is, and I will continue to do so. America is still a free country - for now. And while it is, I will work against this man who violates his constitutional oath.

What say you about that? Is is okay to violate your oath to the Constitution? Is it just a relic as the GOP treats it? huh? Answer the question!

117 posted on 01/13/2004 7:51:34 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Impeachment for betrayal is valid IMHO. He's aiding and abetting Criminals by wanting to make their presence in this country legal.

Should Ronald Reagan have been impeached in 1986? He actually granted amnesty.

"Betrayal" is a judgement, not a "high crime."

118 posted on 01/13/2004 7:52:16 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: exmarine
It is not racist for a country to plan on having a cohesive society.

Bush's action reminds me of an example; it goes like this: A gang of car thieves go around steeling cars and ripping them apart and selling the parts. When the police finally found them, the consumers complained that they will lose a good source of cheap auto parts. The police decided instead to allow the gangs to continue on stealing cars on the condition that they would have to report the number of car parts, and charge sales tax. This story blows my mind. There is no way in hell any self respecting conservative should ever support such a scheme. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

119 posted on 01/13/2004 7:52:43 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: buffman
If you have the facts or the ratings numbers to prove that most part company with Savage after his latest screed please inform me. Facts are, his ratings have never been better and his latest book, "The Enemy Within" is at least number 8 on the best sellers list after only a week out. He has a following. I think we have to deal with it realistically that he will call the kettle black as he sees it and that every time GWB does not uphold the oath of office which is to "protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, domestic and foreign" he will say something, as we all should.
120 posted on 01/13/2004 7:53:17 AM PST by Final Authority
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