JFK's fatal head wound: The truth for those who want to know (very graphic)

jmasland.com & others | 11/22/03

[Wolfstar]

The Zapruder film proves itself to be authentic. There is no possibility that any frames could have been cut out of the film or altered. Why/how? Every time a frame was exposed, part of the background scene was exposed onto both the next frame and the previous frame in the sprocket hole areas. This is because the sproket holes are between frames, as shown below:

The head shot, frame-by-frame:

Frame 312

Frame 313

Frame 313 enlarged:

Frame 314

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Frame 316

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Frame 320

The head wound:

The large flap of skull, skin and other tissue blown out above and just in front of the president’s right ear. The flap stayed attached and hung over the president's right cheek. On the ride to Parkland, Mrs. Kennedy attempted to put it back in place. What the doctors saw at Parkland was the wound partially closed with the shattered pieces at the top rear of the wound missing. Hence, some doctors recalled a wound in that area:

[wideminded]

Just like you won't look at anything beyond the Warren Commission's report or things that support it,

Not true. I have read extensively in the conspiracy literature over the years starting with Mark Lane. I even read every word of the 747-page Best Evidence: Disguise and Deception in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy by David S. Lifton. But most of the conspiracy theories have not stood the test of time. IMO there might still be some open questions about mafia involvement via Oswald and/or Ruby.

No need to reply. I won't listen to any explanation.

The mature approach. Don't worry, I'm not replying for your benefit.

[Az Joe]

The fact is that it has been proven repeatedly that the rifle Oswald used can easily be fired within the time frame and even faster. As for aiming and hitting what you're aiming at, some of that is skill and some of that is luck. Oswald fired three shots and hit home with two-67%.

Is 67% good? I don't know. Would things turn out the same way if you repeated the scenario 10 times? Probably not everytime or even most times. Maybe sometimes all three shots hit home and maybe sometimes none of the shots hit home.

The fact is that Oswald firing all three shots and being the only shooter in Dealy Plaza is still, by far, the most plausible scenario. The conspiracy nuts have nothing even close to it as far as proof goes.

I'll put it this way: If Oswald was not the one who killed Kennedy then Kennedy wasn't killed and nobody has ever killed anyone.

The conspiracy nuts are the one who haven't proved sh*t.

[Az Joe]

Have you read "Case Closed" by Posner? I went from conspiracy theory to lone gunman (Oswald) after reading that book and seeing documentaries. Not right away, but gradually. I still see Oswald doing it alone as the most plausible scenario, by far.

I am only talking about what happened in those few seconds in Dealy Plaza, I do not know about what happened prior to that that may have significance to the case, if anything.

[gooleyman]

One other thing before I turn in for the night. I remember someone saying that there was a last minute change in the motorcade route. That originally they weren't supposed to go by the bookstore. The supposition there was that Oswald could not possibly have known of the change in the route days before when he was picking his shot-spot and therefore set himself up in the wrong position if he was going to kill Kennedy. Had either of you ever heard/read that one. I suppose the route had to be common knowledge just before the motorcade came through that day or else there wouldn't have been so many people lining the street there.

I'll wait a few minutes for your responses and I've got to hit the hay. It's late on the eastern front.

Oh, wideminded, I knew you couldn't resist responding to my last tirade. I wouldn't have resisted either.

[Az Joe]

I believe the motorcade route was known at least a day or two before the 22nd and the route was published in the paper.

[gooleyman]

"I believe the motorcade route was known at least a day or two before the 22nd and the route was published in the paper. "

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I'll have to do some checking on that when I can keep my eyes open a little better. In the meantime, if you find a source, I'd appreciate a link to it.

[Az Joe]

This site has it.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/route.htm

"As the date for the President's visit approached, the two Dallas newspapers carried several reports of his motorcade route. The selection of the Trade Mart as the possible site for the luncheon first appeared in the Dallas Times-Herald on November 15, 1963. The following day, the newspaper reported that the Presidential party "apparently will loop through the downtown area, probably on Main Street, en route from Dallas Love Field" on its way to the Trade Mart. On November 19, the Times-Herald afternoon paper detailed the precise route:

The motorcade will then pass through downtown on Harwood and then west on Main, turning back to Elm at Houston and then out Stemmons Freeway to the Trade Mart.

Also on November 19, the Morning News reported that the President's motorcade would travel from Love Field along specified streets, then "Harwood to Main, Main to Houston, Houston to Elm, Elm under the Triple Underpass to Stemmons Freeway, and on to the Trade Mart."

[wideminded]

Have you read "Case Closed" by Posner?

I haven't read his entire book although I read some long magazine excerpts when it came out and of course he has been interviewed on TV many times. Posner is extremely convincing and his book seems to be much more well-researched than any of the conspiracy books, with a lot of new information and clarification of previously confusing factors. The title might be a little strong, but anyone who disagrees with Posner is going to have to come up with something pretty good. Posner's book came out 10 years ago and I haven't heard of his conclusions being overturned by some new information.

[Az Joe]

I guess it comes down to what is the most likely scenario of events given all the evidence and review of evidence by current technology. It seems to me that what fits the facts that I am aware of is that Oswald acted alone that day in Dealy Plaza.

[texasbluebell]

According to one of the episodes of the History Channel's series, there were supposedly 3 spots in Dallas where this was to go down that day:

The Trade Mart, the airport, and Dealey Plaza.

[Az Joe]

Take any copy of that ridiculous video and burn it.

I emailed them and told them thye should be ashamed of themselves for calling themselves the "history" channel and that they should change their name to the "fiction" channel.

[Shooter 2.5]

The bullet traveled 2000 fps to hit the president 5 1/2inches [14 Centimeters]below the Mastoid Process[there's a picture of the hole and the ruler], it hit no bones and exited out his neck[1772 to 1,779 feet per second] clipping his tie[photos of the tie]. It traveled 28 inches away[trajectory report]to hit Connelly near the right armpit[Doctor's report] clipping his rib[Doctor's report]and keyholed out his chest
leaving a 2 inch by 1/2 inch wound [Doctor's report]. At this point it had only hit one bone and is now flying sideways when it hit the wrist [3/4 inch wound] and buries itself in a shallow wound[very little soft tissue damage,[Doctor's report] in the thigh leaving an amount of lead in the thigh. The amount of lead in the wrist and the bullet add up to the original weight of 161 grains which is the same amount of the bullets from the Western Ammunition Company. Connelly had a broken rib bone and wrist bone. {Doctor's report]. Cloth from his clothing was found in his wrist.


The bullet and fragments were traced to Oswald's rifle and no other.

[Shooter 2.5]

Thanks for the thread.

[Shooter 2.5]

I just found out today that everyone knew about the route.

The reason they didn't go down Main is because the limo was too low to jump a curb to go from Main to the Stemmens Freeway.

Elm Street leads to the freeway.

[Wolfstar]

Thank you very much for your clear and thorough explanation of the back/neck wound bullet. I had not been aware until now that it had not hit any bone prior to hitting Connolly. That explains a lot. Not being educated on ballistics, myself, I always wondered why the bullet that struck the president's head and the one that struck his back/neck seemed to behave differently. Thanks to you and one or two others who've posted knowledgeable info on this thread, I now understand.

[Bobibutu]

"BTW, was anyone else in the limo injured? If so, how?"

Gov Connely was in the front passenger seat and was struck by one of the shots that had hit and passed thru Kennedy.

[TexanAmerican]

Oswald was the shooter in my view.

The intrigue surrounding he and Ruby will never be resolved.

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THAT is what I have always believed.

[Shooter 2.5]

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[dollardriven]

you are right Joe; and there was also no secret bombing of Cambodia and Laos (saw the bombs fall myself) The japs didn't use bio-weapons againest China, Three Mile Island never was near melt-down, (President Carter was there, it must be safe) Agent Orange is safe,there is no Mafia (Hoover said so, it must be true) meanwhile ....the beat goes on. The Devils greatest trick has been to convince modern man that he doesn't exist.

[gdc61]

i own a 6.5mm carcano, bolt action rifle. the bullet is 156grain and has a muzzle volocity of 2400+fps. i bought it to build a lightweight deer rifle for my wife. then she found out it was the same gun as used to kill JFK. now it sits in my gun case.....:(