Militia member 'filled with rage,' plotted ambush

The Grand Rapids Press ^ | Friday, October 17, 2003 | Ed White

[from occupied ga]

Gun-owning whackos do exist

Agreed; however, do you trust the media and the government to determine who the head cases are and who they aren't? I don't. Do you believe as the government contends that Korsh had a meth lab? I don't. Do you believe as the government contends that Koresh's sect practiced routine child abuse? I don't.

In a like vein, the article we were discussing was so utterly biased that I have trouble believing any of it. I can't tell what parts are true, what parts are distortions, and what parts are total fabrication. I can only believe that there are plenty of the last two categories in this story. (anti-aircraft gun my a$$)

[samtheman]

You make good points, but a cop was killed serving a warrant to a member of this group. Sounds like a whacko group to me. And this guy sounds like a whacko. I'm not on the jury. I'm not judging him. I'm just saying there are whackos on the far-right (they are NOT conservatives) and this group, and this guy, sounds like 100% whacko to me.

[from occupied ga]

I think we're in agreement on everything except one point, and that is whether or not you can tell if this specific individual is a nut.

but a cop was killed serving a warrant to a member of this group.

I know a guy that killed a cop too (drunk domestic and a gun nut) - so what? That doesn't make everyone who knew him automatically engage in plots to kill government officials. In fact was everyone who knew him was appalled and surprised. And even the fanatically anti-gun Urinal/Constipation didn't go as over the top as this article was.

Sounds like a whacko group to me. And this guy sounds like a whacko

There you have the essence of what I've been trying to get across. Of course, he sounds like a wack job. That was the whole purpose of the hit article - to portray him as a head case, to to ignore factual reporting for sensational speculation (anonymous source). What I'm saying is that the newpaper was doing the goverment's will in screwing public opinion about the guy (of course he may even be worse, but without objective reoporting we'll never know).

[archy]

My recollection is a personal recollection of such stations coming out of Del Rio as XERF ... growing up in the Chicago - Grand Rapids - Detriot triangle we didn't hear a lot of other stations from the southwest part of the world - but I remember the 'corn' coming out of Del Rio!

If you'd grown up around Del Rio in the late '50s-early '60s, your memories of that time might well have included the hazy electrical corona around fence wires and railroad telegraph lines on misty damp or foggy mights, particularly those sections that ran more or less 90º or 180º toward XERF's antenna farm.

And if you'd moved to the downstate Illinois farmland at age 15, as my family did, you'd have felt slightly more at home in the new area upon finding that XERF still came in clear as a bell most evenings.

XERB with Wolfman Jack is the other *Texas Thunderer* station I recall from those days. There are a few audio clips from both [and other stations he worked at] *here*

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[Eaker]

Place marker to watch what happens next.

[FourPeas]

It seems that someone claiming to be personally involved in the situation has posted to the thread. I thought you might be interested. See #245

[FourPeas]

It seems that someone claiming to be personally involved in the situation has posted to the thread. I thought you might be interested. See #245

[jmc813]

If you are who you claim to be, thank you for sharing your side of the story. Please be prepared to be viciously attacked by some folks, as the people around here who are fans of the drug war typically do not like guns either.

[hattend]

Lisa, What was the real reason they picked him up at Home Depot? Those 7 pot plants?

[from occupied ga]

Post 245, if true, confirms by belief that the local JBTs had time on their hands.

[MineralMan]

"this is just general information... I am Norman Somervilles girlfriend......DO NOT believe what you read in the papers... they are making a mountain out of a mole hill....yes we had guns ALL WERE LEGAL yes we were growing some pot.....7 potted plants BIG DEAL ever heard of medical uses for the stuff??? Our FARM was not a compound.... but oh yea we had bibles.... so we much be weirdo's......Have questions? Just ask.....Lisa"

Well, welcome to FR. How about going through the story and telling us all what is untrue about it? Give us your side of the news story at the top of the thread. That way, you'll be able to counter any of the things in the story that are wrong.

[Squantos]

Hmmmm lets see.....WOD, NRA, Militia, Anger management, Alphabet Agency Assholes (AAA), Explosives, Stockpiling, Assult Weapons, Rumor, Hate , Pretend, Religon , Wannabes, Stray Bullets......and deadliest of all........Opinions.

I didn't see "for the children" posted anywhere so I have no comment !

Ping me if I missed it........:o)

Stay Safe

[af_vet_1981]

There were chilling pictures of President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld with the cross-hairs of a high-powered rifle scope drawn over them, Meyer said.

Unless you can persuade me otherwise, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the government on this rather than to Norman Somerville.

[El Gato]

IF the militia is activated the constitution is clear that it is the responsibility of the Congress to train, regulate and EQUIP the militia.

I have read it. It says the Congress has the power to PROVIDE FOR the arming of the militia, regardless of wether the miltia is activated, or more formally, "employed in service of the United States". Congress may only govern the militia when so employed. Their first exercise of that power consisted of telling everyone to supply their own weapons, specifying a "good musket or firelock" for each infantryman, and a pair of pistols and a sabre for each horseman. The Constitution gives Congress to provide the discipline, that is the "manual of arms" and "drill manual" and even the TO&E for the milita. The states, not Congress are to train the militia "according to the discipline prescribed by Congress". The states also are responsible fo the appointment of officers. In the early days the way the states did that was by election from the militia companies.

You need to read the document a bit more closely sir.

[El Gato]

You referenced this thread--but in a way that made sure the link didn't work.

Sorry about that, I'll try to find the link that I intended to put there... Ah, here it is: http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/waco-affidavit.html.

Kopel and Blackman also mention the arrest warrant in an article in an article Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy Volume 18, number 1, Fall 1996 as well as in their book on the subject.

I also found another referance to the two warrants, actually a referance to a referance. That was a referance from the June 9, 1993, House Appropriations subcommittee hearing, p. 93. Unfortunatly Congressal committee documents don't go back that far online.

[kidd]

What was Norman's opinion of Bush and Rumsfeld?

[Cultural Jihad]

I am Norman Somervilles girlfriend...... but oh yea we had bibles.... so we much be weirdo's......Have questions? Just ask.....Lisa

Do you ... know ... Norman in the Biblical sense?

[Cultural Jihad]

Scott Woodbrain ... Hmmm. Wasn't he the fellow who was cold-bloodedly executed merely for sleeping in someone else's car?

[newcats]

This guy sounds like a low level lunatic and loser. With the President and VP in his cross-hairs.

Somerville was "filled with rage and intended to ambush people, mowing them down in a hail of machine-gun bullets,"

Where do you get that this idiot is after the Pres or Vice Pres? Sounds like he didn't care who he hit, as long as it was somebody.