[Windshark]

I wish I had your confidence.

I thought the NYT scandal would start the outting.

I have become cynical about them. They have dug in positions that seem too powerful to uproot quickly. But hey...the iron curtain fell when we least expected it.

[Mo1]

I thought the NYT scandal would start the outting.

The NYT won't go down .. but now many don't necessary believe the NYT on face value like they once did

It hurt their credibility