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Ring Ping!!

Sorry about the belated ping, I was doing computer maintenance all day.

4 posted on 02/06/2003 10:09:29 PM PST by ecurbh (Mi sÿster väs stæbbed bi å Nazgûl ønce…)
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To: ecurbh
"Bush Call UN's Bluff!!"

"Saddam Hussein has been playing the UN for a fool for 12 years. He'll do so for another 12, if it lets him. He has just ordered his field commanders to prepare to use chemical weapons in the event of war. "The very weapons," Bush noted ironically, "the dictator tells the world he does not have." Bush also recounted the stark links between Saddam and global terrorism, even while the State Department was issuing a worldwide warning to Americans of an increased danger of chemical or biological terrorist attacks. The dots connect. Saddam believes he can buy time by dribbling out small concessions day by day. Yesterday, he coughed up one scientist for UN arms inspectors to interview. One, out of thousands in his employ. He says he may now allow overflights of U-2 spy planes to check on Iraqi facilities (that is, until the heat is off, whereupon he will likely shoot them down). The world mustn't be tricked. It's all a Saddam sideshow just to stop the clock."

Awesome...give US the UN Security Council blessing or display to the World the Franco-Germanic powerlessness to effect World Events as America Liberates Iraq despite them!!

Way to go, Dubyuh...when you got the good hand, raise the stakes, then PLAY IT!!

UN SUCKS...MUD

BTW..."Gestures are cheap. His only option is immediate, complete and unconditional disarmament. But as Bush and Powell have proved to a mathematical certitude, Saddam has not disarmed and he has no intention of disarming - ever. In fact, he is rearming. Nations like France and Germany might not want to face up to these verities. But, as Bush said, "The game is over. Saddam Hussein will be stopped." The President is willing to seek a new resolution to underscore the Security Council's resolve. He'd like to have - and he deserves - the UN's support, but he's prepared to go it alone.

Yer NOT Alone, President Bush, Patriotic Americans stand behind you 100%...MUD

6 posted on 02/07/2003 4:29:00 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (Sic Semper Tyrannis...MUD)
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To: ecurbh
Thranduil seems to have stayed content in northern Greenwood (Mirkwood, which was renamed after the War of the Ring). Celeborn's people would also have remained long content in East Lorien, the kingdom he founded in the southern part of the forest, in the lands formerly dominated by Dol Guldur (which Celeborn and Galadriel overthrew). Celeborn went to live in Rivendell with his grandsons Elladan and Elrohir before finally sailing over Sea, and the year of his departure was not recorded. So there may yet have been some Elves living in Rivendell, and in Mithlond, though some people feel Cirdan left with Elrond and Galadriel.

if this were true, why was it such a 'doom' for Arwen to stay? Surely these other elves had as much love for Middle Earth and humans as Arwen? Why did all of the 'doom' have to fall on Arwen's soldiers.

There is something seriously lacking in Tolkien's concepts of redemption and salvation that I have always found troubling. He doesn't even allow for Frodo to find complete release of the burden by saying Eressea was a 'resting place where he could heal' but not where he could find resolution and forgiveness. Tolkien's concepts of growth and life are very strange.

7 posted on 02/07/2003 7:45:08 AM PST by Alkhin (He thinks I need keeping in order.)
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