[JoshGray]

Well, Josh, I will concede that I cannot prove ALL can change, if you concede you cannot prove ALL can't change (in other words: Some both want to and can).

Given that I don't consider celibacy a "success", unless you're training priests, nuns, or monks, I do believe that some people can change homo- to heterosexual, and vice versa. More than just getting married and having children, or being Bubba or Bubba's b!tch in prison.

I think it's rare, but possible. There's been too much propaganda and not enough research to make therapy as effective as it could be.

If a patient goes in saying "this is what I want", then the therapist should try to help. I don't think it's fair to tell a homosexual who wants to change that he has to figure out how to be happy as is, but likewise, it's not fair to tell him that whatever his current situation or past history is, he has to be heterosexual before therapy is complete.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Ultimate success is in claiming an identity based in what God originally wanted before sin intruded, and in what God promises to bestow anew through grace. This is a choice, not a feeling, which is a marvelously freeing thing because you are no longer a slave to feelings. Often this will bear fruit expressed through matrimony, but other times through faithful singlehood or celibacy, which are all valid options.

[RAT Patrol]

If a patient goes in saying "this is what I want", then the therapist should try to help. I don't think it's fair to tell a homosexual who wants to change that he has to figure out how to be happy as is, but likewise, it's not fair to tell him that whatever his current situation or past history is, he has to be heterosexual before therapy is complete.

I don't have a problem with that statement.