[LibertyBelt]

Because I am deeply concerned that the best of America, folks like OLA, would be killed for reasons other than true national security to USA, does not make me a partisan ignoramus? Not sure he meant to say thay, but I am partisan towards liberty, in the USA first.

If sdH has longstanding links with AQ and verified wmd, nuke the whole village he came from and send in the smart bombs. If it turns out that most of the reason is to compete with Fr/Russia in the world oil market, that would be no reason to spill red white and blue American blood. Once again, we don't have the facts, and the fact that in a land of liberty we the people don't demand them is frightening. Of course Bush is not the scum of Clinton.

Other countries have and are going to hell; it is not our job to get Americans killed for them to deal with their dictatorships. I do not want to send any son to a country to die for the American flag if that flag is NOT threatened. AS OLA pointed out, we have a lot of enemy combatants here in our own nation, some in our own Senate! I applaud his duty and I share it.

One last concern: is every veteran who risked his/her life for his/her America, and later came to believe the war was imperialistic or immoral (and there have been hundreds of thousands of such honorable veterans from many wars)....are they now or were they traitors for saying, for instance, that Vietnam, or other wars, was a waste of American blood? (not that I agree necessarily).

I am glad our military is reading and willing to defend us. May it turn out that I am wrong in my doubts, but don't call me partisan for having them??? I take my Bible seriously: there is heaven and hell. A just war is the ONLY war we are morally allowed to wage. Because I am not convinced does not mean I am a moral coward or trying to get the moral upper ground. It ain't about an argument on a listserve, something criminal in many nations. It's about the buckets of blood that may soon water the Earth, and whether this will bring blessing or curse?

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Greetings LibertyBelt, ATRW FReepers, et al:

Let me tell you, many of my brothers in arms are already deployed overseas. At this point, I'm in civilian status. In my home, on the look out for truth and knowledge. Like most citizen/soldiers we passionately defend the principals found in the Constitution of the United States, which I affirmed by oath to defend. Needless to say, we believe any use of force shall be measured, appropriate, and morally defendable. For we lead America's sons and daughters to battle.

If Saddam Hussein's Iraq enjoyed a free press, free speech, and freedom of association, and the USA threatened her; there could be a moral "unjust war" argument. But that is not the case with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. There is no frame of reference, by western standards of civilization, for comparing Saddam's Iraq. For the controlled Iraqi press, even a Holy Bible requires an image of Saddam Hussein. You did know that. Right?

France has no stomach for pre-emptive attack. Perhaps France remains guilt ridden over her cowardly attack upon an unarmed peace advocate’s ship in Auckland Harbor. But that is not why we have our sights set on Saddam Hussein's Iraq. An ostrich like stance on Iraq will not make Saddam go away, or behave. Sanctions were violated, weapons produced, inspections thwarted, meanwhile a new paradigm of warfare emerged: state sponsored terrorism.

Laurie Mylroie, President Clinton's advisor on Iraq, in her book Study of Revenge: The First World Trade Center Attack and Saddam Hussein’s War Against America, leaves little doubt the first WTC attack and US Embassy bombings were Iraqi state sponsored terrorist acts. Using an identical matrix, Mylroie also makes a good case the 9/11 attack was too. Iraq trains terrorist, harbors terrorists, and funds terrorist acts too. With that in mind, a war against state sponsored terrorism is an unjust war?

The horrific cruelty of Saddam is beyond belief. Former UNSCOM inspector, and now peace activist Scott Ritter, described an Iraqi children’s political prison. Ritter asserts in a Time Magazine story if we knew what went on in that children’s prison, even the peaceniks would demand war with Iraq. Freeing the Iraqi children from this brutal repression is somehow unjust?

This charade has gone on long enough. The Iraqi people have suffered long enough. Let the liberation of Iraq begin.