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To: WhiskeyPapa
It never should have come to a fight at all.

Senator Wigfall thought as much and went to great lengths to warn the north against this. They did not listen though.

Shoot at guys from Maine or Michigan over slavery? OR tariffs?

If they're running at you through the middle of your front yard with bayonets pointed at your person, the YES! I'd shoot back in self defense regardless of where they're from, as would any sane and armed individual.

In all the movement towards re-union, there was no mention of adjustments of the tariff as a reason for which the south would agree to acknowledge the primacy of the federal government.

Thats because those movements of "re-union" were conducted by one side holding a gun to the other side's head. Persons held to negotiation at gunpoint typically do not get much say in the terms of those negotiations.

For the record though, I do notice that you've significantly modified your argument. A few days ago you were towing the line that in all the secession period, none of the southerners cited the tariff issue. You were shown to be wrong with thoroughly documented historical evidence otherwise. Apparently that evidence finally made it through your thick skull and you dropped that previous line. But rather than admit your error, apologize for lying, and sincerely hope that those of us you attempted to decieve will extend our forgiveness, you pull another lump of dung out of the manure pile and begin trotting it around as if it were not as putrid as the previous. You may think you are getting somewhere by waving it, Walt, but in reality we both know it stinks. We both know your previous argument failed you. And we both know that this latest little charade of yours does not even mount a case for what you hope to prove due to the obvious reason that confederates were held at gunpoint, figuratively and literally, during the events you speak of.

743 posted on 02/04/2003 7:21:09 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
Thats because those movements of "re-union" were conducted by one side holding a gun to the other side's head.

It's true that the rebel states had few military successes -- despite the myth. It's true that the rebels had no significant success at all west of the mountains throughout the whole war. It's true that Lee had as little success outside Virginia as Pope, Hooker and Burnside had within it. It's true that President Lincoln wrote out on a single piece of paper right after First Bull Run the concepts that did bring the war to a successful conclusion.

But it wasn't as bad as you suggest.

Walt

752 posted on 02/05/2003 5:58:42 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: GOPcapitalist
For the record though, I do notice that you've significantly modified your argument. A few days ago you were towing the line that in all the secession period, none of the southerners cited the tariff issue.

No, I said and say that the volume of noise on the tariff was drowned out by the volume on slavery.

I said and say that there would have been no war except for slavery.

I said and say that your interpretation of these events is less credible than that of the VP of the so-called CSA.

Walt

754 posted on 02/05/2003 6:07:19 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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